"there must be a renewal of communion between the traditional, contemplative disciplines and those of science, between the poet and the physicist, the priest and the depth psychologist, the monk and the politician." Merton

 

While Merton affirms that our symbols can bring us into closer contact with reality, he cautions against identifying them with reality. In a sense, he was saying, with Ralph Waldo Emerson : "Heartily know. When half-gods go, The gods arrive.".

 

"What is this (contemplative prayer) in relation to action? Simply this. He (and she) who attempts to act and do things for others or for the world without this deepening of his own self-understanding, freedom, integrity, and capacity to love, will not have anything to give others. He will communicate to them nothing but the contagion of his own obsessions, his aggressiveness, his egocentered ambitions, his delusions about ends and means, his doctrinaire prejudices and ideas." Thomas Merton," The Climate of Monastic Prayer"

 

And now God says to us what God has already said to the earth as a whole through his grace-filled birth: "I am there.  I am with you. I am your life. I am your time. I am the gloom of your daily routine. Why will you not hear it?

 

I weep your tears. Pour out yours to me, my child.

 

I am your joy. Do not be afraid to be happy; ever since I wept, joy is the standard of living that is really more suitable than the anxiety and grief of those who think they have no hope.

 

I am the blind alley of all your paths for when you no longer know how to go any farther, then you have reached me, foolish child, though you are not aware of it. I am in your anxiety, for I have shared it by suffering it. And in so doing I wasn't even heroic according to the wisdom of the world.

 

I am in the prison of your finiteness, for my love has made me your prisoner.

 

When the total of your plans and of your life's experiences does not balance out evenly, I am the unsolved remainder. And know that this remainder, which makes you so frantic, is the reality of my love which you do not yet understand.

 

I am present in your needs. I have suffered them and they are now transformed but not obliterated from my heart. This reality--incomprehensible wonder of my almighty love--I have sheltered safely and completely in the cold stable of your world. I am there. Even if you do not see me now, I am there.

 

It is Christmas. Light the candles. They have more right to exist than all the darkness.

 

It is Christmas.---Karl Rahner, SJ

 

Thou shalt know Him when He comes

Not by din of drums--

Nor the vantage of airs;

Nor by anything He wears.

Neither by His crown, nor His gown

For His Presence known shall be

By the holy harmony

That his coming makes in thee.---15th Century Anonymous

 

 

 

 

Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on July 12, 2004 05:56 PM:
 
I cannot report a loss of affect as much as I can discern, rather, a tendency for feelings to follow me into action rather than leading me into action.

St. Thomas described how our love of God increases in proportion to our knowledge of God. And this is true.

St. Bernard described how our knowledge of God increases in proportion to our love of God. This, too, is true.

The knowledge of God that St. Bernard describes, however, surpasses that which St. Thomas was speaking and writing about. St. Thomas was talking about that knowledge of God that comes from both natural and supernatural revelation, a discursive knowing that increases through our study of philosophy, metaphysics, theology and such, such a knowing as could never attain to God's essential nature even as it might infinitely advance toward same.

The love of which both Thomas and Bernard spoke of, however, can indeed communicate with God's essential nature, leading one to a mysterious type of knowledge that certainly informs our normative sciences (of logic, aesthetics and ethics) and descriptive sciences (for instance, natural science) but which also far surpasses them, a knowledge difficult to describe or articulate. Such a love, I believe, is experienced on the threshold of contemplation.

Such is the love which casts out all fear. And here is the link to the loss of the affective ego that I'd like to explore. The perfect love that casts out all fear is a love that has grown in dependency on God, has learned to trust God, that knows that, however bad the situation or dire the circumstances, in the final analysis, all will be well. It is the mystical love of Julian that sings all may, can, will and shall be well and is the realization of the promise that you will know that all manner of things will be well. Here, then, is the distinction we draw between existential fear and neurotic fear, existential guilt and neurotic guilt, existential anger and neurotic anger, the existential always in service of life and love and relationship, the neurotic invariably life-detracting, love-detracting, relationship-destroying. We are not dealing only with neuroses that are overcome in the process of individuation but also those sinful resistances to conversion that are overcome on our journey of transformation, distinct but intertwined realities.

So, I would describe the loss of the affective ego as an energy inversion whereby the emotions and feelings and affective life don't so much energize our behaviors by initiating them but rather energize our behaviors by reinforcing them. It seems that this state could be effected all of a sudden through some precipitating event or could arise through time and a habit of virtue.

I will stop here as my thoughts are fogging up, but there is a dynamic of love and surrender that seems to be involved and either a sudden metanoia or a force of habit where this dynamic is concerned?

pax,
jb

Love, eminently reasonable, needs no reason, inasmuch as it is sufficient unto itself. Happiness, finally, cannot be pursued but must ensue. So, too, with good feelings. They aren't needed but will often ensue, which is to say, follow, love.

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Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on July 13, 2004 12:12 AM:
 
Merton noted that often, when we are in pain and conflict and contradiction, we incorrectly associate same with old wounds, with old injuries that truly have been resolved and healed already. During such times, Merton encourages us to consider the very real possibility that we are, rather, being invited to open ourselves to a new level of being through such pain and conflict and contradiction. In other words, if we are not properly attentive, then we run the risk of stagnation, desolation and aridity, sometimes for months or years, dwelling on the wrong integrative and transformative issues, missing the invitation to move to another level, a level that could be attained in a day even.

One of the chief obstacles to advancing in the spiritual life, then, is to gain a certain clarity of vision regarding the route to sanctity or to psychological integration (routes that are much intertwined) and then acting as if the vision itself is the attainment when, in fact, it is not the mapping of the journey that marks our growth but the walking of the road, which is to say that, if you are on the illuminative or unitive way, then get on with it, and so on. Further, the mapping never involves the entire journey but entails, rather, our next good step, a step which is the spiritual equivalent of taking the entire journey Thus it is that the entire road is traversed, one step at a time in faith with the trust that that step is truly what is required for now, for today. We can get caught up with seeing the road and then fail to walk it, is our constant peril.

Two lessons here: Sometimes one has to quit beating one's head against the wall just because it feels good when you stop. Sometimes one has to quit circling the same developmental block on the journey just because some of the signs look the same, which is to say that emotional memories can get in the way by misleading us into thinking that our pain is rooted in old unresolved issues when it is moreso about leading us in a new direction entirely (with a genesis in new issues), inviting us to another level entirely. Then, once we see this new direction, it is of the essence to WALK it and not merely content ourselves in the consolation of SEEING it!

Well, this is a very loose rendering of the meaning I gathered from Merton and any misconstructions are my own. I will leave it to the forum to sort through how the integration/transformation of the affective ego fits in, for that may be a better way of describing what I think is going on in what is being called the loss of the affective ego. Point is that old emotional memories can get improperly associated with new spiritual emergence issues and that we can misdiagnose the reason for our present pain, conflict and contradiction.

pax,
jb

 


Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on July 13, 2004 04:14 PM:

I believe it was in that very same lecture that Merton noted that the spiritual path and the path of scientific breakthroughs is analogous. Specifically, the steps are: 1) We find an issue, sort through it and set about to solve it. 2) We grapple and grapple with it until we realize that it is virtually irresolute, unsolvable, beyond us, too difficult. 3) We let go and move on. 4) Sometimes, years later, the solution comes to us in an instant, in a flash.

Nothing very profound here. We've all used this apporach in balancing our checkbooks, eh? But the point is that that is how our human natures are constructed and that that is how our unconscious and conscious minds and spirits seem to interface.

Seeing after not before is axiomatic for the spiritual mapping of the journey. Others' journeys, even those of the great mystical doctors, let's say the Carmelites like John of the Cross and Teresa of Jesus, can give us touchpoints for the journey, indications that we are on the road, but they have no predictive value. The same is true with Ignatian and sanjuanian discernment such as re: consolation and desolation, maybe even such as regarding loss of affect, depression, acedia, beginnings of contemplation -- where we are moreso discerning retrospectively and not so much being guided prospectively.

Finally, BINGO re: this wisdom as not being a property of the mind even though it works very much in concert with the mind. The contemplative gaze in love transcends our cognitive and discursive faculties and penetrates through to the Divine Essence, actually communicating and relating to God's essential nature, a nature that is, in principle, incomprehensible.

We must be careful, however, in confusing incomprehensible with unintelligible. If these experiences were unintelligible and God was unintelligible, this forum wouldn't be possible, huh?

pax,
jb
 


Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on July 13, 2004 04:46 PM:
 
Another Mertonesque thought: We are moving toward an existential realization of how critical to our spiritual survival prayer really is. This realization is attained when we feel our need for prayer as acutely as we would feel the need for a breath when underwater.

That is my crude rendering from memory. I think this has something to say to us all whether we are called to discursive mediation, lectio, meditatio, oratio, contemplatio, operatio or what have ya. Whatever our prayer gift as led by the Spirit, it is to be engaged with the sense of critical and acute and urgent need that affirms our radical dependence and perennial state of existential crisis.

Now, don't get Merton wrong. This is all dialectical. One moves into crisis to lose crisis. One loses self to gain self. First, there is a mountain. Then, there is no mountain. Then, there is. One recognzies one's radical dependency to move to place of radical trust. One experiences one's emptiness and abject poverty to realize one's utter fullness. One moves into paradox and pain and contradiction to realize that, whatdaya know, all is well.

This is something re: the loss of self that is affirmed by the Sufi (Islamic)and the Hasidic (Jewish) mystics and that Merton, building on Buber as well as the Sufis, so well understood.

So, too, with human affects and desires. John of the Cross speaks of disordered appetites and Ignatius speaks of inordinate desires. It is not the appetite or desire we seek to eradicate, ultimately, but through proper ascticism and renunciation, we lose our emotional energy that intitiates so many of our behaviors (both virtue and vice) only to regain it to reinforce our virtues. Think of Ignatian discernment re: consolation and desolation, for example, and of how the different spirits console or afflict us, variously, as we either cooperate with Grace or backslide.

This dialectic is working, I believe, with the affective ego. Now, there may be something very deeply analogous going on with spiritual consolations and desolations and psychological affects that is not completely identical. This could account for how psychologically developmentally deformative influences might intefere/interact with spiritually transformative processes. This is no easy nut to crack and might profoundly influence with what facility one moves through an existential crisis to the experience of no-crisis-after-all. IOW, a spiritual emergence issue that gets foisted upon someone may not achieve its dialectical goal of teaching one to breathe underwater but could, for all practical purposes, drown a person.

When He knew for certain only drowning men could see Him, He said all men shall be sailors, then, until the sea shall free them.

jb
 


Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on July 14, 2004 12:39 AM:
 
continuing with Merton

Merton speaks of a Sufi scholar, who draws many parallels to psychoanalysis, which is to say who sees the therapy process as analogous to the spiritual journey.

If in therapy our primary concern is the resolution of unresolved subconscious conflicts, then Sufism might be thought of in the same way, only on a deeper level.

In therapy and normal individuation, we are resolving certain conflicts, the resolutions of which 1) take us from an infantile level, take us from the merely instinctual animal to a human type of being where our cognitive and affective development is concerned 2) then further take us and adapt us to successful social and cultural beings.

Many struggle at the first level, such as with an Oedipus complex, by way of example, staying Momma's boys their entire life, but most get through it to the second level of struggle, some falling prey to escapes from the difficult realities of social-cultural life. AA is an example of a good way to deal with such evasions, helping primarily by providing motives to change, wise to the fact that one has to want to change in order to change and no one can do it for us. This is pretty much where conventional therapy stops, helping one deal with one's neurotic evasions of social responsibility.

This, however, is insufficient for bringing about the general honesty required to go deeper and to become an authentic human who has faced life's fundamental challenges, life's BIGGER problems, gaining life's existential awareness.

What are these BIG PROBLEMS? 1) continuity vs discontinuity - death 2) creativity - having a life that is meaningful, a presence that makes a difference.

What are the mistakes that even analysts/therapists make here? What mistakes are made by us as individuals at this level? We treat these issues as if they were problems of social adaptation (that second level we talked about). IOW, if you are esteemed by your society or in a particular cultural milieu, then you've conquered these problems, your presence not only has made a difference but lives on, in a manner of speaking. WRONG! This "solution" leads people into a further evasion from a truly meaningful life. This blueprint is wrong and must be torn up and thrown away. [Think here of our affective reward system and not only what vices are reinforced by certain emotions but also by what so-called virtues are being reinforced by our range of emotions. There needs to be a rewiring.]

What is called for, rather, is a BREAKTHROUGH into existential awareness. IOW, we recognize that this social esteem and instinctual control we have gained is MEANINGLESS, not meaningless, to be sure, for our functioning in ordinary life, but certainly in terms of life's ultimate meaning. {Here Merton recommends Viktor Frankl.]

So, from this deeper level, our social success is meaningless. On one hand, though, it is great and necessary, but, otoh, it is TOTALLY NUTS!

How do we get in touch with what is needed on the deeper level? Through the Psalmist is one way, for the deeper level whether praying the mad, glad or sad psalms is always GOD.

The CROSS is the demonstration of this struggle, the realization of this conflict in Jesus, a conflict between the establishment of the religion, such as in society, on one hand, and the realization of authentic religion, such as in one's heart, otoh. It REJECTS the silly notion of "Keep the rules and there you've got all the answers," which Merton calls a wooden nickel. It similarly rejects: "Don't keep the rules," which is a stupid form of the same silly game.

The ultimate solution to our biggest subconscious unresolved conflicts, our existential questions, is experiencing our rootedness in God, God in our very hearts. Death loses its significance as an end because we are already finalities, already ends unto ourselves because of our being-in-God, being-in-love, which is sufficient unto itself with no further reason or justification. Our creativity is found in our issuing forth from the Creator and not in anything we do to gain social approval or cultural amenities. The obligational has become aspirational. One then studies and prays, fastening and binding one's spirit to God, clinging to God, after the manner I wrote about previously, needing prayer as badly as one who is under water needs a breath. Then, in all we see and experience, God is present, and we don't at all take seriously the self we have to be to operate in society, the role playing, the best things in life not being demanded by us but received a pure gift from God FOR ME, who lets God be Himself in me, when my false self has vanished.

The old emotional programming, that was even formative and not deformative, must be re-wired, in order to move on to the deeper level of a human being-in-love-with-God. Hence the dark Nights. Hence, the transformation of the affective ego as we move from a false to a true self.

pax,
jb
 

 


Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on July 14, 2004 09:39 AM:
 
re: The old emotional programming, that was even formative and not deformative, must be re-wired, in order to move on to the deeper level of a human being-in-love-with-God. Hence the dark Nights. Hence, the transformation of the affective ego as we move from a false to a true self.

continuing -

Hence, what Merton is describing is our social persona, which must die. True enough, our formation from the animal-instinctual to the social-cultural self is required, is necessary for the journey. In fact, we cannot surrender this self to the Cross, which is to say, to the existential crisis, until we have fully come into possession of same.

The existential crisis, then, involves a confrontation of the I with the not I , of the true self with the false self, and, when it is upon us, everything we see and observe and relate to in our existence is then seen through the lens of this crisis, of this Cross.

For society-at-large, then, the Gospel is this lens. The problem is that we have talked about the Cross so much, about the Gospel so much, that we have, in some sense, trivialized it and robbed it of its profound and radical significance for our individual lives and our lives in community. While in this crisis, however, we come to realize that the reason the world has so many huge problems -- socially, culturally, politically, economically -- is because of people, people like me who are living on a phony, superficial level of existence, out of contact with our true source, Who is God, alone.

The ultimate idolatry, then, is our self. So, we take this socially-formed self and crucify it and it is not like going to a movie or coming into an Internet discussion forum but is, rather, much more like walking into a fire.

The reward system, the reinforcement mechanisms, the old emotional programs, which worked so well for those of us who made it through our formative years with more formation, reformation and information than deformation, must be transformed. This mirrors, in fact, how our loving knowledge of God no longer comes through our senses, no longer is accompanied by sensible consolations, but is a direct communication with the Divine Essence that is beyond our discursive faculties. All of this is a massive upheaval of the way things have been for us --- cognitively, affectively, morally even, for it is no longer a mere following of the rules that brings one closer to God, although that part of our formation was absolutely necessary. This is a huge project and undertaking, multilayered and multitextured and quite unique for each individual, although we have discussed the touchpoints and the mapping of this journey.

The soul now approaches the God, Who needn't approach, Who dwells within, and the heart remains restless that has not made God its all. Rooted in God in radical trust and surrender, a new reward and reinforcement system gets set in place, where Love of self for sake of self has been transcended by love of God for sake of self, which has been transcended by love of God for sake of God, 'til, finally, our true self emerges and we love that self for the sake of God. The dialectic takes us back into self-possession, paradoxically, by self-surrender. This has cognitive, affective and moral aspects.

This is why we are here.

pax,
jb
 


 


Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on July 14, 2004 12:31 PM:
 
What comes to mind with respect to adulterers and murderers like both King Herod and King David, is what, ultimately, makes the difference between our going Herod's route or that of David?

To a certain extent, all that society asks by way of reformation is that we be rehabilitated into a good social persona, that we function well in our interpersonal dealings -- politically, econmomically, socially and culturally. IOW, society asks that we follow the rules, that we obey the law. Adherence to the Law is what was required of these Old Testament persons, in accordance with the Old Covenant. David became a good man and a great king by meeting these standards. He became his true self, the psalmist, when he went deeper in his relationship to God.

So, in its very essence, the Old Covenant very much corresponds to that second level of development, that which pertains to our socialization, and, although there were certain prophecies and foreshadowings, the crosses borne by these peoples were not the same as THE CROSS. Certainly, there must have always been some opportunity for humans on earth to partake of the transformative process effected by Jesus for once and for all through his birth, life, passion, death and resurrection. Indeed, many did undergo such radical transformation, especially, one might suspect, someone like David, the Psalmist, who points the way to Jesus, to the Father, in the Spirit.

At the same time, the explicit announcement of the New Testament, the proclamation of the Good News, the living out of the Gospel, of the Kerygma, through the Cross, marked an existential crisis at a global level for ALL PEOPLES, and played itself out as, not a total renunciation but, as a total surpassing of the old way. This is directly analogous to the death to self that is called for on the journey of each individual but involved a type of death for the People of God as a whole, who were being called to a new level of intimacy.

Again, we invoke, as individuals, because we have been convoked, as an entire People of God. We are called as a People and respond, radically alone (in many respects), as individuals.

Another lesson that is taught about David by Louis Evely (whom Phil will fondly recalled) is That Man Is You , which is to say: what is wrong with the world is ME.

What happens as we make the turn and drop the persona, which, again, was formatively necessary, is that we seek enlightenment out of compassion for the world, which constantly suffers our unenlightened selves. No longer are we in search of consolation or sensible positive affect because Perfect Love is its own reward, is totally unconditional, entirely kenotic.

We lay down our false selves, not for our own benefit, not because we are tired of the pain it causes us, but because of the pain we are transmitting to our loved ones, to the world. Any pain that is not thusly transformed, however neurotic or psychotic or emotional or idiopathic, we transmit to others. We seek to be rid of this pain that we may desist from transmitting it to others. Perfect Love and Perfect Contrition are inextricably bound up. It is suffcient to enter the Kingdom, through the law, through the old gate, of following the rules and being sorry for the consequences to ourselves when we don't. That was the old way and it still works.

BUT, if we take up our cross, go through the existential crisis, and come to that breakthrough where we are moreso sorry for our sin because of the consequences to others and to God, then we crucify the Old Man and rise as a New Creation, seeking the contemplative gaze, as Teresa says, not so much for the consolations but, rather, in order to gain the strength to serve. We become Christs. We allow God to be God-in-us, our truest selves. This isn't a requirement, but it is an invitation. The most important one that any of us will RSVP or not.

pax,
jb

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Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on July 14, 2004 02:18 PM:
 
Let me insert this here. Losing something like fear does not mean that we have come to any pollyannish conclusion that all of the bad things that could happen to us are not going to happen --- rather, it means that, we know full well they are even likely to happen but are nothing, ultimately, to fear. So, too, with guilt, anger ... We give up the neurotic version in exchange for the existential version, which is quite THE CROSS to arrive at the resurrected version, which is ALL IS WELL.

This, too, is dialectical, like the Kingdom. It is on its way. It has already arrived. Paradise is ours to inherit. It is already in our hearts. All is decidely NOT well, temporally, in this earthly tent wherein we dwell, BUT, in reality, ours is a robe of resplendent glory and, eternally (not at the end of time or for a long time, but outside of time where we have both origin and destiny), ALL is, indeed, well.

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Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on July 15, 2004 05:09 PM:
 
Another distinction from Merton.

Merton discusses two of the types of confessio, of confession, but I don't recall the latin terms for both. One was laude or praise. The other was re: the more familiar "It was me. I done it." that we know from the Rite of Reconciliation and from police shakedowns, or parental busts re: hands in cookie jars.

This distinction makes for rich reflection and meditation but I'll try to control my imagination and focus on the transformative process.

The confession of praise is the converse: "It was God. He done it."

The psalms are about 50:50 penitential supplication taking the form of "I done it" and of praise taking the form of adoration of "He done it."

Now, there comes a point where we pass through existential crisis or a series of crises and recognize that there is little meritorious effort on our behalf other than cooperation with grace and that all else is pure unmerited Grace. This is part of recognizing our radical dependence on God, Whom we can trust because, well, look around at What He Done!

My point pertaining to this thread, however, is that, prior to getting to that place of praise and He Done It, we must get both to the place of I Done It re: our abject sinfulness as well as It Isn't/Wasn't Me! re: our manifold blessings and very existence.

Part of the nondual experience, then, is the existential realization of It Isn't Me --- not this creation, not these feelings, not these thoughts, not any rule-following or goodness, iow, It Isn't Me cognitively, affectively or morally, that's responsible for starting all of this, holding it all together and taking it anywhere.

This can be quite liberating.

The famous singer-songwriter, James Taylor, once made a wisecrack about AA, saying that half of the people that are in it are trying to come to the realization that they are not God, while the other half had the job once and are desperately busy trying to tender their resignation.

Well, it isn't enough to stop with It Isn't Me, and that, I believe, is where an existential experience of the no-self can leave us. But this apophatic realization must be dialectically related to HE DID IT! IT'S HER! and this is the positive, kataphatic content that is truly fitting and proper, coming from a tongue that cannot confess same without the initiative of the Spirit's prompting.

So, the loss of the affective ego can occur, in any of the many ways we have conceived it and experienced it, I think, and particularly in a manner that Merton wisely discerned was apophatic, natural, impersonal, existential, but needing completion in the kataphatic, supernatural, personal and theological, these processes nurturing and mutually enriching and entailing one another. This is where Tony deMello went awry to some extent in some of his later work and it is where Bernadette likely errs, too.

Point is, the confession of It's Not Me is necessary but not sufficient.

Gotta run. Going to a Herman's Hermit concert!

pax,
Herman's Hermit

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Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on :
 
re: It is hard for me to remember, and trust, that God works so much better beyond our faculties, and that this accounts for much of the apophatic aridities we go through.

Was that ever well said. Further, the apophatic aridity and godforsaken sense of Godforsakeness can find no relief, and very little consolation in a mere cognitive assent to the notion that Well, I cannot feel His Presence but I know He is there because the absence is existentially pervasive, which is to say experienced as an absolute absence cognitively, affectively, morally, spiritually, physically. There are no faculties mediating His Presence. And, any counsel or direction to the contrary pretty much gets filtered as a brilliant rationalization, to try to put words to the Little Flower's bout with profound angst as well as what I have been through myself.

When the knowledge through love arrives it is as certain as it is obscure, differing from our earlier journey where our vision was clear but tentative (cf. Benedict Groeschel). Without faculties, behavioral psychology of reward and punishment, which is to say, of reinforcement collapses. The energy paradigms of psychoanalytic psychologies get stretched very thin, except for those that have cultivated a jungian-type depth. This is why the work of Arraj of putting sanjuanist spiritual theology into dialogue with Jung is so important. It is not unlike Merton's Sufi master friend who tried to put Sufism in dialogue with psychoanalysis.

Carry on,
and thanks from all of us
jb

PS I forgot to make my point [Big Grin]which is that, without the affective ego, without the reward/punishment reinforcement mechanism fully in place, absent consolation --- when one continues to persist in moral behavior, in loving interactions with others, because Love is its own reward ---- One has then NEVER been closer to loving with Unconditional Love, BY DEFINITION. The Paradox is, then, One Has NEVER BEEN CLOSER to GOD, WHO IS PURE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. We prayed to be transformed into the Imago Dei, well guess what: Our prayer was answered -- just when we thought that God was dead and we were abandoned. Sounds like the last moments on the Cross? because IT WAS! You have died with Him and now you RISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on August 16, 2004 11:48 PM:
 
There is much of each of our own journeys that we can relate to in others' journeys and, even then, so much is unique, too. Even then, for instance in Catholicism, where most will subscribe to integrative and holistic approaches, we still draw distinctions between those symptoms that are best dealt with through 1) spiritual direction 2) moral guidance 3) reconciliation or confession 4) healing ministries 5) psychological counseling 6) group therapies 7) pastoral counseling 8) evangelization ministry 9) medical and pharmacological therapy 10) psychiatric therapy 11) other forms of ministry and sharing, even such as in an internet discussion forum.

Your list of symptoms is somewhat varied and doesn't lend itself to a cursory appraisal. It may be a useful exercise for you to group these symptoms under at least a few of the above-listed categories. After you've done that, it would likely be very useful to then list them in a descending order of severity, which is to suggest that you give some thought to the amount of discomfort or distress each gives you, including the amount of dysfunction and disruption each causes in your life when experienced. Then, it would be important to list the most disruptive and uncomfortable symptoms in a descending order with respect to their frequencies, which is to ask "how often" do you experience same. For that matter, list those things, by type, that energize you and make you feel most alive and connected to reality and other people, too, along with their intensity and frequency. What may be acedia for some, clinical depression for others, loss of affective ego for still others, or other forms of desolation and/or illness, could well be, for another, an almost companionable, which is to suggest even comfortable, companionable aridity of sorts (com + pan means with bread (food), iow, we are even nurtured, somehow, by the aridity) . Very difficult to discern without protracted sharing and Q&A.

Some of these may seem to you as rather benign, while others are more distressing. To the extent you have a firm conviction that many of these symptoms are indeed from some type of spiritual emergence process, as they say, from a spiritual emergency, then it would be most helpful to find medical and psychological and religious professionals who are both sympathetic to and somewhat familiar with same. This can be a challenge but asking around and even shopping around can pay big dividends.

The care and nurturance of a soul is a most awesome task! You will appreciate this from C.S. Lewis:

"It is a serious thing, to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest and most uninteresting person you talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare. All day long we are, in some degree, helping each other to one or other of these destinations. It is in the light of these overwhelming possibilities, it is with the awe and the circumspection proper to them, that we should conduct all our dealings with one another, all friendships, all loves, all play, all politics. There are no 'ordinary' people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilisations -- these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whome we joke with, work with, marry, snub and exploit -- immortal horrors or everlasting splendours. This does not mean that we are to be perpetually solemn. We must play. But our merriment must be of that kind (and it is, in fact, the merriest kind) which exists between people who have, from the outset, taken each other seriously -- no flippancy, no superiority, no presumption. And our charity must be a real and costly love, with deep feeling for the sins in spite of which we love the sinner -- no mere tolerance or indulgence which parodies love as flippancy parodies merriment." From __The Weight of Glory__

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It is in the light of these overwhelming possibilities and with the awe and circumspection proper to them that I respond to your request (you, who are no ordinary mortal, but rather an everlasting splendor, to be sure). I thus respond with no flippancy, no superiority and no presumption!

God's richest blessings on this part of your journey to glory,

jb

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Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on August 18, 2004 12:30 PM:
 

Merton has touched upon this dynamic, when he speaks of existential crisis, which is very much related to the Cross for Christians although it happens with all people, even in science. The dynamic, more specifically, involves our confrontation with a problem. We initially perceive the problem as soluble and we work mightily to solve it. It matters not whether it is a philosophical conundrum or some scientific hypothesis or some existential crisis/spiritual emergency. We exhaust all of our resources and then arrive at the point where we pretty much conclude that this particular issue is insoluble. At this point, we resolve to leave it alone, give it a rest, to forget about it altogether. So, we do. Then, when you least expect it, whether in a dream or while playing or working or chopping wood and carrying water, the solution comes to us in a flash, totally gratuitously and unmerited as pure grace, so to speak. Now, this dynamic is very natural and involves the workings of the human mind at a subconscious level, intuitions bubbling up to the surface, to be sure, not unaided by the Holy Spirit.

This dynamic works when you cannot balance your checkbook, too [Eek!]

I just wrote some notes on this recently. I'll dig them up and share them if I can find them.

Also, though, it is especially worthy of note that this process seems to describe how many if not most major breakthroughs occur in the advance of human knowledge, however personal or existential, however theological or scientific. It is also worthy of note that we cannot skip any of the steps and expect it to work [Wink]

pax,
jb
 


Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on August 19, 2004 03:12 PM:
 
A break in your day


A poet can transform life's pain and make it beautiful. -------> hope and beauty

A poet can transform paradox and remove obstructions from a pathway. ----------> faith and truth

A poet can construct a koan that when solved through a life experience, at the same time, heals the experience. ---------> love and goodness

The blues is the roots. All other music, its fruits. ------> death and resurrection
 

 

If I had to succinctly summarize the confusion that so often comes about such issues of formative spirituality, then it would be between:
1) phenomenal states
2) developmental stages
3) meta/physical and/or psychic structures and their various similarities and dissimiliarites, which lead people to certain logical fallacies. To wit: If we see this, then it must be that.

Also, when it comes to developmental and stage theories, there is a tendency to negate certain aspects of earlier stages of development when those aspects do not call for negation but, instead, for a transvaluing and recontextualizing.

Some aspects get elevated that should not be.
Some get reduced that should not be.
Some get underemphasized which should not be.
Some get overemphasized which should not be.
Some get overexpressed or underexpressed or even ignored.

Certain aspects of our integral human experience get distinguished and then sundered rather than united, are allowed to improperly pretend to autonomy and in so doing improperly deny relationality.

Such is the litany of fallacies I was working on just the other day: Scroll down to the maroon text, just below the green.

Now, I know all of the above is abstract -- but Phil, on that thread, and others, have already provided the concrete examples of those fallacies. I am borrowing, in part, in fact, from Washburn's pre-trans fallacies, as he expanded on Wilber's.

Misc observations:

The False Self or social persona is an indispensable part of human development. It must be formed and owned before being surrendered.

Contemplation involves apophasis but apophasis does not indicate contemplation.

Such things as imperfect contrition are not negated by perfect contrition. Eros is not negated by agape. Such "lower" stages are transvalued and taken up in a new context. The stages of Bernardian love: love of self for sake of self; love of self for sake of God; love of God for sake of God; love of self for sake of God --- are not negated in succession but transvalued and transformed. There remains something in it for you, for God, for humanity, for cosmos!

The nonrational, prerational and rational; the cognitive, affective and instinctual; monadic, dyadic and triadic; kataphatic, apophatic and eminent; univocal, relational and equivocal; esse and essence in relation to Ipsum Esse Subsistens; all such aspects remain integrally and holistically interrelated, none autonomous. They are differentiated only to be united.

I mean to better systematize this one day in these terms:

The logical approaches of:


1) modal logic (or ontological vagueness):

a) possible

b) actual

c) probable/necessary


and


2) semiotic logic (or epistemological vagueness; pseudo-Dionysius):

a) univocal

b) relational

c) equivocal


must be properly applied to the anthropological categories of the:


1) ontological (Washburn)

a) (meta)physical structure

b) developmental stages

c) phenomenal states


and


2) epistemological

a) foci of concern (Helminiak)

b) evaluative continuum (Gelpi)

c) organon of knowledge (Peirce)


It is the willy-nilly interplay between these six categories using these six logics that cause all the confusion. They can be held together, though.

pax,
jb

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Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on 13 April, 2005 06:44 PM:

Just another thought re: therapy, however Divine, in an integral, holistic approach, we still appreciate the differentiations between psychological counseling, psychiatric treatment, medical and dietary treatments, spiritual direction and so on and so forth. They all mutually enrich the others but none can really very effectively take the place of the others.

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Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on 14 April, 2005 08:57 AM:

Thinking of Arraj's distinctions drawn from Maritain between 1) intuition of being 2) philosophical contemplation 3) natural mysticism and 4) mystical contemplation ...

And thinking of Merton's distinctions between 1) immanent and transcendent 2) natural and supernatural 3) apophatic and kataphatic and 4) existential and theological ...

It is clear that Keating's emphasis on 1) loving intentionality and 2) alternating nurturance, one by the other, of apophasis and kataphasis ...

clearly makes CP a Christian approach, not in jeopardy of any radical apophaticism (such as the late Tony deMello, unnuanced and improperly interpreted perhaps) and perhaps as a nondiscursive way of disposing oneself toward receiving a gift of infused contemplation.

What may remain unclear is whether or not CP can be considered perhaps an acquired contemplation or active contemplation like the traditional prayer of simplicity or simple gaze that ensues from an affective prayer following the degrees of vocal and meditative prayer -- and I think that CP is something like that and could be considered a true charism of the Holy Spirit, much like praying in tongues, glossolalia. This would distinguish it from infused contemplation which is a gift of the Holy Spirit (distinguished from a charism).

All this said, our prayer life has a natural progression, aided by the Holy Spirit, to proceed toward simplicity. It is my view that this progression cannot be short-circuited and that there is a wealth of wisdom in the church that deals with discernment of different signs for when one is being called from discursive to nondiscursive prayer forms that must be honored.

Additionally, there is a wealth of teaching on the false self and true self, whether in Merton's work or as in so much of Phil's work. One must approach the dismantling of the false self in this type of context, which clearly sets forth exactly what it is that actually comprises our True Self. More importantly, it sets forth exactly what it is not: It is NOT some pantheistic or even some panen-theistic, immanentistic existing in God, but a pan-entheistic immanent-transcendent disposition to God's indwelling in us. [ Don't get me wrong, even John of the Cross noted how we can never, in one way, be separated from God, even in mortal sin, as He holds us in existence. This is a consoling thought of how inter-related we are at all moments of existence via His creatio continua in addition to any ex nihilo. It does not mean there is no ontological gulf.]

Those are my two biggest caveats. CP must be approached 1) with the same direction and discernment the church has always advocated regarding a directee's prayer of choice and 2) with an orthodox understanding of the essential difference between creature and Creator.

Not following those caveats, at best one experiences a natural mysticism, altered state of consciousness, which, indeed, can be peaceful, but may very well get short-circuited itself by an unloading of the unconscious. At worst, it is a selfish pursuit, a desiring and occupying in prayer in pursuit of consolations rather than in pursuit of the strength to serve and carry one's cross.

Finally, it seems to me that we should be encouraging openness to receive the charism of glossolalia. It takes us into a state much like that of those who have prayed the Rosary or litanies faithfully, where our prayer naturally progresses from vocal to meditative to affective to simplicity, where we no longer focus on words and thoughts but loving intentionality. One can pray in tongues and still proceed in discursive thoughts, such as having in mind certain petitions or intercessions or thanksgiving but, maybe, especially praise. All can be encouraged to dispose themselves to receive this charism. Not all should be similarly encouraged to practice CP.

What I've read of Keating would be consonant with the above. What I've heard from many CP practitioners, however, is not. Any reliance on Wilber is going to be infected with a fallacy related to phenomenal states, psychic structures and developmental stages and the confusion that ensues from 1) confusing them due to similarites and dissimilarities between them and 2) overemphases/underemphases/ignorance of different of their aspects and 3) negation rather than reintegration/transvaluation of "lower" stages.

pax,
jb

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Posted by johnboy (Member # 31) on 14 April, 2005 09:16 AM:

I am even wondering if The Eternal Now, How to be There -- as a title, though hopefully not in substance, overemphasizes the proleptical and eschatological dimension of the Kingdom to come versus the Kingdom that already exists within? There must be a nurturance of awarenesses of the Kingdom already established and of the Kingdom yet unfolding. Clearly, there must be a correction for the Vale of Tears mentality that overemphasizes the afterlife at the expense of living fully now and transformation now. It would be my guess that this is what Rohr is about. He has been a person of balance and has properly discerned, for instance, imbalances such as our need to Awaken the Soul (Helminiak's psyche) due to excess of spirit and excess of body or such as the under/over-expressions of temperament types, etc

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Again, re: The Eternal Now, How to be There - this balance between now and to come, between the eschatological and proleptical and our present, temporal milieu --- it is one thing to focus on how we can be there, which is good, but I doubt anyone is suggesting we would not ALSO be HERE now in love, too. These are two aspects that need ditinction in order to be properly united. This is not unlike the issue with pan-entheism and panen-theism and pantheism, where the wrong emphasis is placed on immanence as if realizing such immanence is the route to achieve personal transcendence. IOW, we ARE God so all is well. Suffering is maya. Heck no. These essentialistic-existential chasms are REAL. The ontological gulf is real. The epistemological gulf is real. The teleological striving must continue!

Julian of Norwich is correct in that all is well and all things may be well, can be well, shall be well. And, even if one buys into universal salvation and apokatastasis, there remains the issue of our struggling to give God the greatest glory possible, Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam, and to conform ourselves, per the three degrees of humility a la Ignatius, as much to the Imago Dei as is possible through ongoing transformation.

Anything that says the journey is over or the quest is finished, not properly distinguishing between the Kingdom now and to come, between creature and Creator immanently-transcendently, can lead into great error. I haven't encountered that error in Rohr or Keating, btw, just in a lot of people that miscontrue such teachings. Despite what has been said on EWTN re: New Age, these folks are decidedly not deserving of the criticisms and caricatures of their work so often levied against them. Some folks, however, are deserving of those criticisms.

quote:


Originally posted by Phil:
Yes, very good. And I agree, too, that the issue of "acquired contemplation" is at the heart of discussion. My understanding is that the prayer of simplicity or simple regard was never viewed as such, but was considered the simplest form of active prayer.


Yes and even glossolalia is active and, in the discursive sense I mentioned previously, moreso meditative. Might it be best to drop the acquired [contemplation] distinction [misnomer], recognizing contemplation as only that infused gift described in the sanjuanian and teresian sense, perhaps?

quote:


Originally posted by Phil:
E.g., is there something about Zazen or TM that is so dynamically ordered toward enlightenment or altered states of consciousness that it moves one in that direction in spite of the intent with which it is used? I have the same questions about CP when it is significantly separted from the practice of Lectio Divina, which is often the case.


To the extent that natural mysticism and enlightenment seem to gift humans with what I think are authentic insights and intuitions about cosmotheandric unity and human solidarity and Divine immanence, then I truly believe they foster human authenticity in the fullest lonerganian sense. They contribute, in my view, to Lonergan's secular conversions: intellectually, affectively, morally and socially. So it is with anything that truly humanizes a human being: good diet, good hygiene, good discipline, good awareness, good asceticism, good habits, etc Even the construction of the false self, the social persona, is part of the humanization process of this animal, Homo sapiens. So, this drives at the question of whether or not humanization and divinization are the same thing, perhaps. And I think we can answer in the affirmative.

However, complete humanization, into the Imago Dei, seems to require the Lonerganian religious conversion, too, and seems to require Helminiak's theotic focus or realm of concern. Humanization and divinization go hand in hand but the process can be frustrated before one undergoes religious conversion and before one's realm of concern opens up beyond the positivistic, philosophic and theistic into the theotic.

So, I think, yes, there is something dynamically ordered about Zen and TM and natural mysticism, that moves one toward humanization and authenticity and which can improve on human nature in such a way that grace can build on a better foundation. That is what the Holy Spirit does n'est pas? Grace builds on nature. So, anything that helps us more fully realize our humanity and authentic human nature can help dispose us to gifts of the Spirit, among which is infused contemplation. [Especially since enlightenment seems to gift one with docility, openness, quietness, stillness, solitude, solidarity, compassion, good asceticisms and habits that transmute into true virtue, all related to the life of love and prayer that help properly dispose others to infused contemplation etc?] The Spirit, however, as with anyone who progresses in the prayer life on through advanced stages of meditation to the simplest forms of active prayer, remains sovereignly in control, in my view, of contemplative grace.

Further, it does seem that one must have habitually nurtured kataphatic devotion and loving intentionality in a fully relational approach, in addition to any apophatic experience of nonduality or void, if one is to then expand their focus of concern to include the theotic, if one is to have their secular conversions transvalued by a distinctly religious conversion, which is clearly explicit and kataphatic, devotional and intentional and relational. In other words, for example, ditching one's mythic-membership consciousness (credally) is NOT the way to go, for that is a negation of a stage and not rather a transvaluation.
pax,
jb
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Don't you know it's gonna be alright - John Lennon

And you will know that all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich

http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/e/per-ardua-ad-astra/merton.htm


 

 

 Ths Psalms capture the history of Israel.

The Psalms capture His Story, too.

The Psalms capture My Story, too.

The Psalms capture Mystery.

We invoke because we have been convoked.

The journey of each soul recapitulates the journey of the People of God.

The journeys of the great saints and mystics predict the journey of the Mystical Body, too, ontogeny predicting phylogeny.

As the glad psalms, sad psalms and mad psalms are our prayers, our lives, so, too, the entire Old Testament and New.

The first disciple, Mary, and her story as told in the Gospels, best illustrates our story, our invitation to be in relationship to the Father and Jesus and the Holy Breath in the same way. And so, we look for the Magnificats of our lives and we look for the Passions, too.

What are our Joyful, Luminous, Sorrowful and Glorious Mysteries, individually and collectively?

As the Body of Christ, as a suffering and celebrating humanity, what twenty events of the 20th Century, would represent, for all of humankind, the Mystical Body, its Joyful, Sorrowful, Luminous and Glorious Mysteries?

Joyful-
1
2
3
4
5

Sorrowful
1 The Holocaust
2
3
4
5

Luminous
1 The Life of Thomas Merton
2
3
4
5

Glorious
1
2
3
4
5

And it may help to think in terms and analogies of the Rosary mysteries, but we needn't be limited to that.

I'll leave this here as an ongoing liturgy. Make your prayerful suggestions for our group meditation and celebration of Our Story, His Story, History, Mystery ...

pax, amor et bonum,
jb

The Lord is Our Shepherd
We lack nothing

In defining humankind, why is it, you think, we must say that we are more than just a "rational animal"?

Why would that not capture us?

Because we are also pre-rational and nonrational in our faculties?

Yes, perhaps in part.

Moreso, however, because we are the Imago Dei and, created in the very image and likeness of God, we are in large measure comprised of a depth dimension.

Thus, each person we meet will be an inexhaustible and unfathomable mystery.

And that is the major impetus behind the virtue of fidelity, which allows us to remain in relationship to discover ever new and ever more compelling reasons to come together.

Kumbaya, sisters and brothers.
Kumbaya, my Lord.
Kumbaya,
jb

 

Joyful-
1 The Marian Apparitions
2
3
4
5

Sorrowful
1 The Holocaust
2 The Existential Vacuum (Viktor Frankl)
3
4
5

Luminous
1 The Life of Thomas Merton
2
3
4
5

Glorious
1 The New Pentecost
2
3
4
5

When we look at humanity, we need a robust anthropology and psychology and an authentic humanism. We are radically social and inescapably in solitude, working to live fully in solidarity and compassion, and in celebrations of our unity in diversity, always against manifold and multiform forces of alienation.

The same way Maslow gifted psychology with a paradigm shift from one of pathology to one of holistic wholeness and health as exemplified in self-actualizers, our formative spiritualities must be grounded in a theological anthropology that is derived from the hagiographies of the great traditions. It is the best existential realizations that should inform our essentialistic possibilities and not, on one hand, imagined transcendence, or, otoh, unimaginable travesty. An accurate theological anthropology gifts us not only with a better theotics but also, because of the Imago Dei, good theology and Christology and pneumatology and a more accurate theodicy, too.

What is clear is that any good anthropology will recognize this essentialistic-existential chasm, let's say the s-x factor, which requires an initiative (justification) by a clearly Transcendent Reality, for we cannot deal with s-x on our own. What also becomes clear in the lives of the great saints and mystics is that our cooperation with grace (sanctification) can takes us places on the journey of transformation that the human social sciences can neither imagine nor conceive. For that vision we need lives of incredible holiness and the Arts. We need to tell Our Story, the whole story, luminous, joyful, glorious and sorrowful. How has your own personal story experienced same? What forces of alienation have you allowed to sweep you away and what manner of grace has always retrieved you from such poignantly painful aloneness? If you have ever cried out with the Psalmist from the depths of your heart, whether glad or sad or mad, is it not because you heard the vast chorus of human voices and simply joined their songs and dirges, their joys and lamentations? Do we all thus sing because He lived the life and lived the words and now we conform ourselves to His Image and Likeness? to His Word, His Way, His Truth and His Life?

deep peace,
jb

pax,
jb

 

Just a teaser, food for thought.

Much of this discussion seems to be about accounting for the essentialistic-existential chasm, which classically has been considered to result from original sin, which I like to consider as a combination of our finitude and of the effects of everyone else's personal sins on me and mine on them.

 

re: essentialistic-existential chasm -

that would be between our possibilities and their realizations

iow, we always come up short

1) The classical account is to describe this chasm as an ontological rupture, located in the past.

2) Others, like Jack Haught, who employ a process approach might moreso describe it as a teleological rupture, located in the future.

3) I have also considered whether or not it is not both of those PLUS
a) an epistemological rupture, existing in the present
b) an axiological rupture
c) a cosmological rupture

4) All of this is very aristotelian, thomistic even, whereby
a) ontological relates to material causation and God as Primal Being
b) teleological relates to final causation and God as Primal Destiny
c) epistemological relates to formal causation and God as Primal Ground
d) axiological relates to instrumental causation and God as Primal Order
e) cosmological relates to efficient causation and God as Primal Origin (ex nihilo) and Support (continua)

Seems to me, %^%$#, you are engaging the epistemological rupture in your musings re: information and God and closing that essentialistic-existential chasm thru sanctification processes, etc Of course, there must be a justification process, too, and there will also be a glorification process.

I don't offer this as a substantive comment to any of your musings. Rather, I offer it as a heuristic device to help you and maybe others contextualize your musings -- iow, a hatrack or coat closet or set of placeholders. If it helps, fine; it not, just ignore it.

Substantively, there is but one rupture and I have only suggested what its aspects and attributes might be, observing that you are grappling with one of them. Now, I'll leave y'all to the grappling ... and maybe these other aspects can shed light, too, maybe not. I don't view any of these as a least common denominator but all of them as different hermeneutical lenses.

pax!
deep peace
jb

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Don't you know it's gonna be alright - John Lennon

And you will know that all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich

 

Some other thoughts:

In an authentic pan-entheism, maintaining our metaphysical realism, which is moderate and critical but not extreme realism, when we speak of God's attributes in terms of, for instance, Primal Ground, Being, Destiny, Origin, Support, etc and invoke analogies to causations: efficient, instrumental, formal, final and material ...

we mustn't forget that we are not trying to precisely locate and completely define that nexus that relates us in terms akin to the givens of proximate reality: forces, axioms and primitives (like space, time, mass, energy and some think, even consciousness). And, even though modern physics and biology and psychology and philosophy of mind have all, in various ways, hinted at a rehabilitation of sorts of formal causation, which could (should) take its place next to the forces, axioms and primitives, still --- whether formative (information-related), efficient (force related), material (matter related), final (semiotic & telos related) or instrumental (tacit dimension or axiom related)
--- iow, whether epistemological, cosmological, ontological, teleological or axiological ---
--- iow, whether Primal Ground, Primal Origin and Support, Primal Being, Primal Destiny/Goal or Primal Order---

we are saying that there is something relating us to God that is LIKE information, that is LIKE a FORCE, that is LIKE being, both esse and essence, that is LIKE downward causation and intrinsic telos, that is LIKE tacit dimensionality and landscapes that passively configure other realities ...

we are saying that Primal Ground is like a ground but more dislike it really, Primal Being is like being but more dislike it really, etc

So, the univocity is only with respect to attributes of God, which we address metaphorically, and, because of the necessary equivocity, even those metaphors are weakened to the status of weak analogies.

So, how is God intelligible? Through His effects which we know only by their causes even as we understand not a whit about those causes -- whether formal-LIKE, efficient-LIKE, material-LIKE, final-LIKE, instrumental-LIKE.

And, this leaves us immersed in paradox, which is ineluctable ... but it is something, in our metaphysical pursuits, that we just have to get over! Dualism is not wholly satisfying and cannot be from a scientific perspective, and neither is monism and neither is pluralism. From a metaphysical perspective, which accepts its constraints (occulted ultimate reality) before it begins its enterprise, these ontologies are pretty good hunches and we can, very reasonably, argue about which hypothesis is the best. And an acceptable criterion is the reductio ad absurdum we run against our intuitions about: what are the implications of this system, when logically extrapolated, for what we already know about life in relationship with others and the cosmos and about spiritual life, integrally conceived?

And I see y'all doing that to some extent. Good criterion. I just wanted to reinforce the analogical nature of our knowledge of ultimate reality. It is not so much that we might not one day stumble over these answers as much as there is no way to scientifically or formally figure out that we did (per Godel)! Thankfully, the Stumbling Block of the Incarnation, folly to some, has become our Stepping Stone.

Hope I made sense here. Again, this is just another suggested thomistic framework and not a comment on the substance of your musings.

pax,
jb

 

the "Collected Works of St. John of the Cross" translated by Kavanaugh & Rodriguez (ICS) have a Scriptural Index which reveals that Juan cited almost every book of the Old & New Testaments in his writings and the citations number somewhere between 800-1,000 bible references (i haven't counted but that is a fair estimate)!!

it is easy to understand how new students of contemplative spirituality focus on, what is to them, the novelty of Juan's via negativa. one would err, however, by failing to take into account Juan's fidelity to Scripture, Sacraments, Liturgy and almost-Ignatian emphasis on "God in All Things" and almost-Franciscan emphasis on creation. (how's that for a litany of kataphatic modalities?)

Denis Read OCD, an ICS member, calls Juan the "liturgical mystic" and sanjuanist spirituality "liturgical spirituality". in addition to Juan's love and fidelity to Scripture, to the Eucharist (one of greatest personal trials in prison in Toledo was not being able to celebrate Eucharist) and to the other sacraments (strong emphasis on reconciliation), Juan quoted the Church's liturgical books liberally, including hymns, antiphons of the LOH - Divine Office, Roman Ritual, etc etc etc!

Richard Hardy, PhD in "Embodied Love in John of the Cross" states: "The question we must answer is whether John is espousing the goal of an ethereal, "purely spiritual" love, or rather an embodied love replete with sensuality and delight." Juan's emphasis on nature, the imagery of his poetry, his relational imagery reveal a man overflowing with sensuality and delight! he is selling us on nothing less than Divine Eros and as Hardy says: "in the light of this erotic love challenges today's Christian to embrace a lifestyle that risks all for the sake of all."

the apophatic-kataphatic remains in a highly creative tension with Juan and gets resolved, not by emphasis on one mode versus the other, but rather by a rhythmicity, by Juan's recognition of God's every "spiration" and by Juan's "re"-spiring in accordance with same. Juan does NOT move us away from sensory delight but to purified sensory delight. Juan does not negate the kataphatic devotion but moves us to transformed devotion. it is reminiscent of the early Tony de Mello who would have us not cling to a note, not because the note is not beautiful, but so we would not miss the symphony. the early-Tony bids us "Wake Up!" and take it all in. the later-Tony did articulate a radical apophaticism which is, to me, at the least, an impoverished formative spirituality.

perhaps my studies of neurological and biological circadian rhythms biased or sensitized me to paschal rhythmicities, liturgical seasonalities, liturgical rhythms of the day and night, and finally to resolve apophatic-kataphatic tensions rhythmically, cyclically.

sanjuanist liturgical mysticism is "mysticism par excellence" and i will not be bashful in pointing out that negativa et positiva is the summit of mt carmel even if negativa sans positiva is a pretty high oriental base camp and positiva sans negativa is equally high on the occidental side of the mountain.

 

Thomas Keating on aprophatic/kataphatic contemplation -

a misleading distinction suggesting opposition between the two, in fact, a proper preparation of the faculties (kataphatic practice) leads to apophatic contemplation, which in turn is sustained through appropriate kataphatic practices.

*** Thomas Keating; Open Heart, Open Mind.

 

I guess i burned a lot of bandwidth to suggest that there are "onenesses" and there is the ONENESS. people from manifold religions, traditions, paths can and do experience both on their earthly sojourns.

 

my discernment, in the final analysis, is that when one is desiring or yearning or panting or longing or aching or wounded or in the desert or in dryness or in desolation or in aridity or in the dark night, and there experiences

 

a "luminosity of the will" which sees clearly a path of love through the dark,

 

a "steadfastness of the heart" which follows steps in the sand after that lover Who has trod unseen beyond the many dunes ahead, and

 

a kenosis, but not of those Godly attributes which Jesus didn't cling to, but rather an emptying of,or a fasting from, the appetites to acquire those attributes (which are not our inheritance in the first place), then they will know that all shall be well.

 

Are you desiring or yearning or panting or longing or aching or wounded or in the desert or in dryness or in desolation or in aridity or in the dark night but passionately committed to Truth, Beauty, Justice and Love, with them as friends= philia? because of storge = your connaturality with them?

 

Are you unswervingly dedicated to these paths because they are their own rewards?

 

Then I would say you have an agapic love for God.

 

Hang on and the day will come when you will desire to desire, yearn to yearn, long to long, will ache bittersweetly, will drink of the dryness and will experience the aridity as Presence. Then you will have an erotic love for God, too.

 

You will know that this Lover is desiring you. She is yearning and longing for you, no less than you for Her. You have been transformed from image to a greater likeness because you will be experiencing within you God's very experience of and toward you! You wanted to be like God?!? Well that is how He feels toward you! deep desire! endless longing! boundless yearning!

 

When you realize this, you will be brought to the heights! you will have ascended Mt Carmel by descending to the depths! you will have entered a horizonless, beatific expanse having gone deep within your own interior mansions!

 

I'd say that in many respects, our storge and philia of God are our natural endowments, our humanity, our image, our connaturality and that agape and eros of God (and Hers toward us) are our supernatural endowments, our deification, our likeness, our transformation.

 

inauthentic paths perhaps place eros in front of agape. this is a perilous path in human relationships as it is, however much western civilization has idolized romantic love. God will not let us suffer that peril with Her and so agape without eros comes first, that is to say the aridity, the darkness.

 

lo and behold, we pursue agape and eros ensues and you will know this when the darkness becomes a luminosity of numinosity, the dryness becomes a fountain of charity, the longing becomes fulfillment, the desert an oasis of purified love.

 

there is no temptation to "throw in the towel" or to give up searching for this Lover. the darkness is limerance. the dryness is infatuation. in their perfection they are transformed into a Divine "Glandular" Chemistry of rarified eros, far removed from the pre-pubescent or adolescent hormonally-driven selfish energy.

 

in reflecting on aridity or darkness or the metaphor du jour within the context of our agapic and erotic love for God

 

i thought of how, in our human loves, we typically pursue eros then agape ensues or the relationship dies; i recall how when we experience the raging hormones, the glandular chemistry, the limerance, the infatuation, we don't want the eros to end, as it surely will in many respects. it is a type of yearning that has been called "falling in love with love" and we have observed this addictive cycle of euphoric recall.

 

i then thought of how, in our love for God, we eventually must pursue agape and have eros ensue (not that we don't try the other way around) and how the relationship perdures in this "approach". occasionally we hear anecdotes of married lovers having started out as friends prior to falling in love and how such relationships seem superior in many aspects.

 

and you will recall this from earlier:

 

well the yearning and longing and pining away for God does not end after we are wounded. people talk about what a curse it would be to stay in limerance or infatuation throughout the course of any human relationship. well i've got good news and i've got bad news.

 

the bad news: our erotic love for God that ensues in the wake of our agapic love persists; this insistent longing, this yearning, this aching and wounded heart, remains a "curse" of the beloved as this eros endures.

 

the good news: this curse transforms to blessing and the eros perdures, the yearning never ends, the longing goes on and on. now think about it. do you *really* want this "falling in love with Love" to end?

 

this, in fact, is what it is all about Alfie!

 

befriending desires, welcoming darkness, drinking from a dry well, are all about eros staying with you in your love relationship.

 

it is delightfully wounding. it's the driest but the most delectable vintage. it is perpetual orgasmic energy on the brink, never post-climactically spent. it is a forever-parched thirst unquenchable in the pouring rain. it is a beauty ever-revealing, neither timid nor coy, but never exposed from all vantage points. it is an expanding horizon ever receding. it is an appetite ever-tasting morsels, but never satiated. do you *really* want this to end? this is what calls you forth, sends you where you'd not otherwise go.

 

anyway, give some thought to this because it may be that, as dark nights go, the only difference between a twilight and a dawn might be a hermeneutic of your own making, might come about from facing west and not east. your desire to have God's hermeneutics is the beginning of His work in you and, at that stage of a true dark night (one not due to mere backsliding), other than pure desire on your part, the rest of the work is His. i just offer these ideas as a way to companion with you while you wait (for what could be a very long time).

 

And so our truth-seekers will continue their discourse and

 

analyses; our justice-seekers will continue their advocacies; our

 

love-complements will build vibrant communities and continue to

 

serve. What I wish to advocate, here, though, is the notion that

 

we need to better nurture both the individual and collective

 

application of our intuitive faculties, especially in our western

 

spiritualities. Tony deMello spent his life teaching the

 

importance of awareness versus analysis, of insight versus

 

information, perhaps patterned after the founder of his order,

 

St. Ignatius, who emphasized the need to "taste" the truth versus

 

merely "knowing" the truth. Oliver Sacks' book and movie,

 

"Awakenings", describes how brain-damaged individuals can be

 

roused out of stupor by music and art when nothing else can reach

 

them. None of this is to denigrate the other modes of

 

contribution. It is offerred as an affirmation of what has been

 

too often neglected, of what we might more often be about in

 

spiritual direction.

 

From Amos Wilder: "Imagination is a necessary component of all

 

profound knowing and celebration ... It is at the level of

 

imagination that any full engagement with life takes place."

 

From Morton Kelsey: "God knew that human beings learn more by

 

story and music, by art, symbols, and images than by logical

 

reasoning, theorems, and equations, so God's deepest revelations

 

have always been expressed in images and stories."

 

And so, perhaps a different experience of the mystery of God is

 

in store for the asking. Our growth in freedom, in love ...in

 

awareness via all faculties ...may ensue.

 

The Passion of Jesus & Mary & Joseph

 

And of John the Baptist & Elizabeth

 

Narrator: I asked them of their hopes and dreams

Of how it seemed to them

On a road that led to Calvary

That began in Bethlehem

 

 

Mary answered first: "My hopes and dreams,

Every single part of me,

Awaited my Messiah,

With Him I longed to be."

 

 

Joseph looked at her and nodded:

"What you just said is true ...

But as for me, my hopes and dreams:

My every thought was you.

 

 

"At the time of our betrothal,

The fulfillment of my life

Was to take your hand in marriage,

To take you as my wife."

 

"I was first the handmaid of the Lord,"

Said Mary as she smiled,

"But what devastation you endured

When you found I was with child."

 

 

Joseph said: "My heart was broken;

How bitterly I wept;

Exhausted in my pain and grief,

How wearily I slept."

 

 

Mary smiled: "The angel in your dream

Your every doubt erased;

Then the baby leapt within my womb

When warmly we embraced !"

 

 

Joseph: Our road would wind, go up then down,

His way seemed hard to learn.

Mary: But angels came in Joseph's dreams

At every single turn.

 

 

Joseph: Like the time we went to Egypt

Where we stayed 'till Herod died.

Mary: Or when we came back to Israel

And you'd thought the angel'd lied.

 

 

Mary: (You see Herod's son took Herod's place

So, again, we'd have to flee).

Joseph: And warned, again, within a dream,

We left for Galilee.

 

 

Mary: So, too, on your road with Jesus,

You may find your plans and schemes

Will be readily displaced there

By our Father's hopes and dreams.

 

 

Joseph: There'll be times your heart is broken.

There'll be times your dreams are dashed,

When you dwell in desolation,

See no sun, just smoke and ash.

 

 

Mary: All will share His Passion and His Death

From the time of their conception;

Those who take life's road with us

Will share His Resurrection.

 

 

Mary: Our road began with the Word of God,

Where a witness, Elizabeth's son,

In a town in the hills of Judah,

Spoke of Jesus, the Chosen One.

 

 

Elizabeth: Little boys we carried in our wombs

Knew one another, even there !

And were destined, both, for early tombs,

Any mother's worst nightmare.

 

 

Mary: My son was killed by Pilate,

With indignity and disgrace.

Elizabeth: My John was brutally murdered,

Beheaded at Herod's place.

 

 

Narrator: I asked of Mary: "What of Pilate ?"

"What of Herod ?" of Elizabeth.

"Of the people who rejected them

Even in Nazareth ?"

 

 

They both were silent, for a while

Then each, in their own turn,

Spoke openly and lovingly

Of the lessons they had learned.

 

 

Mary: Like my Joseph, through King David's line,

Did my baby, Jesus, come

A Savior given unto us

Each and every one.

 

 

Elizabeth: Yes, adulterers and murderers

Like Herod (King David, too)

Were the reason that Our Lord was born

Mary: And also me and you.

 

 

Elizabeth: No it's not for us to understand.

It's not for us to see:

What of David ? Pilate ? Herod ?

Mary: What of them or you or me ?

 

 

Mary: Like the criminals murdered with Him

On His left and on His right

'Til one's dying breath He'll save you

Bathe you in Eternal Light.

 

 

Narrator: Elizabeth stood, took Mary's arms.

They embraced with loving tears.

Then as at The Visitation

John and Jesus then appeared !

 

 

I watched in silence and in awe

With love and peace and joy,

As with such warmth and tenderness

Each mother hugged her boy.

 

 

They were little kids like yours and mine !

With faces oh so fair !

Their mommies kissed their little heads

Ran fingers through their hair.

 

 

They pinched their cheeks, held little faces

In between each hand,

Looked proudly down into their eyes

Each mother's little man.

 

 

There they saw the face of God and lived

As the prophet said they'd see.

They all stared in little Jesus' face

Then turned and said to me:

 

 

All: We'll have all been there ten thousand years

Bright shining as the sun

Each generation's moms and dads

Each daughter and each son;

 

 

The loves we'll have shared continuing on,

The pains we'll have shared forgotten,

With the God we'll have known from ages hence

From Mary's womb begotten.

 

 

For nothing can quench the love of God

Not anguish nor distress

Persecution, famine nor the sword

Peril nor nakedness.

 

 

Neither death nor life nor angels

Not any principality

Could stifle the love of these mothers' boys

From here to Eternity.

 

 

I then said: "Lord, take and receive,

Take all of my liberty,

My memory and understanding,

Like The Baptist I want to be ...

 

 

For you'll increase as we decrease

In answer to our prayer

'Til it almost becomes a challenge here

To know who is standing there...

 

 

For I've entertained angels unaware

In your poor it's plain to see

Life's purpose is found as we get confused

'Tween them and you and me.

 

 

No the heart of man has not conceived

No eye could ever see

The things the Father has prepared

For The Baptist, you and me !

 

 

Narrator: What pains in life, dear Jesus,

Caused your greatest agony ?

What of the blood, the sweat, the tears

That blessed Gethsemane ?

 

 

Jesus: He heaved a sigh: "I'll tell you now,

The worst of pains, my brother,

Came from the swords that pierced the Heart

Of my dearest, sweetest Mother."

 

 

"The first sword ? In the temple,

Among the doctors of the law,

What a joy-filled, happy moment,

When my mother's face I saw !

 

 

Mary: Have you ever lost a child ?

Known the tears, the fear, the dread ?

Have you ever feared your little one

To be given up for dead ?

 

 

Jesus: Well, her look that day was haunting,

'T was a look of total loss.

I was to see it yet again

As I hung there on the Cross.

 

 

Narrator: What of the Chief Priests and the Elders

Or the Scribes and Pharisees ?

Of the ridicule you suffered there

As they tortured, spat and teased ?

 

 

Jesus: Jesus sighed again and said: "You know,

On my mother, that was tough;

It was watching her in agony

That, for me, was really rough."

 

 

As for Caiaphas and Annas,

The men with clubs and swords,

Those who called out: 'Play the Prophet !'

Or who mocked me with their words ...

 

 

I'd grown use to that in childhood,

Never really did fit in,

Not with neighbors, not with townsfolk

Not even with my kin.

 

 

You as parents are familiar

With these feelings from such pain

When your children don't fit in

With the others who are playin'

 

 

On the playground, in the school yard,

Out about the neighborhood.

How my mom and step-dad suffered

Cause they knew I never would.

 

 

Narrator: Jesus, what of the Sanhedrin

And the lying witnesses ?

Or the soldiers there who stripped you

Spat or hit you with their fists ?

 

 

When the crowd called out: "Barabbas !"

Scourged and crowned you with the thorns ?

What terror gripped your heart there ?

Were you 'specially then forlorn ?

 

 

Jesus: No, not the passers-by that jeered me

Or who gave me wine with gall

Nor the ones who drove the nails

Pierced my side, cast lots and all

 

 

Not even when they lifted me

Did it torture me the most;

It was that one last look in momma's eyes

That gave Daddy up my ghost.

 

 

Aside from the pain this caused my mom,

What still truly hurts the most

Are things that are done by the ones that I love

In whom dwell the Holy Ghost.

 

 

With sacraments of initiation received

Along with such loving formation

For the life of Me, brother, I don't understand why

They abandon the Way of salvation.

 

 

The Sanhedrin, the High Priests and Elders

Who hit me and spat in my face

Did not cause my Heart near the confusion

As those who abandoned the place

 

 

For after saying they'd never disown me

The moment the Shepherd was struck

The sheep of my flock were soon scattered

'Cause their Master was down on His Luck.

 

 

You, too, have seen transfigurations;

You know you have had your good days

But still like my beloved apostles

Don't you go your own separate ways ?

 

 

Like Zebedee's sons on the road there

Does your selfishness cause any fights ?

In your own ways you press one another

For seats on my left and my right.

 

 

No, I tell you I'd rather be spat at and jeered

Even scourged and then nailed to a cross

By the people who never have known me

As opposed to somebody I've lost

 

 

Like you whom I've known since your childhood

Baptized as an infant and then

Have countless times known me in Eucharist

Who's always considered my friend

 

 

Can't you see what you've done

To a world dire in need

Anytime when, like Peter, you fall ?

The scandal ensues

A soul 'bout to choose

Chance misses hearing my call.

 

 

Next time you pray into my Passion

And gaze up at your Friend on the Cross,

I'm not there cause of people I've never known

It's those, maybe you ? that I've lost.

 

I'm A Stranger in Paradise

 

Think of God as one who relentlessly pursues you.

 

I have often thought of God as follows: She is a cute little girl on the playground Who is chasing me, much to my chagrin. I run from Her. She never quite catches up with me. When I am very young, I really want nothing to do with Her. She remains a nuisance. She remains in pursuit of me whenever I set foot on the playground, even as I am getting older.

 

In my pre-adolescence, I glance over my shoulder at times and I feel confused; I sometimes think of maybe letting Her catch me, but I am unsure for it seems best to stick with that strategy which has served me so well from childhood. After all, what would the boys think of me, letting Her catch me?

 

The days and years go by and the playground pursuit is the only constant in my life and I am glancing over my shoulder longer and my confusion is giving way to new feelings.

 

I notice Her Beauty and I imagine what it would be like to be close to Her and, for the first time, I feel strangely and strongly attracted to Her.

 

I resolve to get caught.

 

I wonder:"What in the world was I thinking all these years, running from this gorgeous Creature?"

 

And She catches me and we collapse laughing and giggling into the flowered clovers and we embrace and the universe explodes with meaning and all of the eros and limerance and infatuation and chemistry of that universe are focused here, in time, in me, in Her, in us and I am left there, at once mystified and even somewhat stupefied!

 

Then, of a sudden, She is gone. I look around and see Her standing there and our eyes meet and we smile and She takes off running, laughing and giggling, taunting and teasing, now with me in pursuit! How the tables have turned!

 

And now I am filled with longing, yearning, pining for She has run clean over the horizon and out of sight! But, at times, I think I hear Her giggle and swear I can glimpse Her face in a crowd.

 

At all times, I think of Her and my heart aches, sweetly.

 

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And the above describes the purgative and illuminative and unitive ways and the "wounding" and the dark night. In some moments, I've thought of heaven, purgatory and hell as consolation, desolation and isolation (moments when I'm looking through Ignatian lenses). Think of the discerment processes of The Spiritual Exercises and how God speaks to us in consolation and even accompanies us in desolation. Consolation & Desolation are His/Her Effects on us. Isolation is another matter entirely, sin being alienation and damage to relationship.

 

The loneliness of "i"solation ... comes from the old "riches to honor to pride" or "this is mine; look at me; "i" am" (rather than I AM = YAHWEH) and is a hell I've personally experienced due to pride and anger and a cutting-off of myself from God and others.

 

It was Hell running away from that little girl (and I didn't even know it!).

 

Purgatory may be where we continue to run away, even as Her Beauty is illuminated and our wills are transformed (much in the way our glands undergo transformation in puberty).

 

In Heaven, there will be no more dark night, no pursuit...just flowered clover

 

and ... ... Her.

 

I believe that our consolations and callings and vocations are "assignations" with our Beloved and that some assignations are missed in life, by all of us. We don't have just a few "missed assignations" in life; they are manifold and multiform. A single "missed assignation" will NOT place anyone in eternal isolation or eternal loneliness or eternal hellfire. However, that a "misoriented" fundamental orientation or poorly "optioned" fundamental option may be reinforced by recurrent self-imposed isolations must remain a distinct possibility because He is a gentlemanly suitor; as Lover, She is a proper lady; as beloved we are Free.

 

So what is desolation? aridity? the desert? the dark night? the longing? the yearning? the endless pursuit? this wounded heart?

 

It is my Beloved attracting me, drawing me, seducing me, calling me with a siren song which She has placed in my heart!

 

It is the song in Her heart, too! for She is in longing and yearning and endless pursuit also!

 

Her pursuit and mine are the same!

 

Her heart is wounded and this pain in my heart is Hers! The pain in Her heart is mine!

 

Thus our wills are becoming entwined.

 

And we are running alright, but it is toward each Other. This is what we are "feeling" in aridity, even absent cognitive awareness of same, but you will come to know this with your HEART.

 

She is all the Beauty I've ever glimpsed, Truth I've ever sought, Justice I've ever needed. She brings Love because She brings Her Self.

 

This Dark Night is the Brightest of All Dawns as I realize that by traveling at the speed of Her Light which now emanates forth from my bosom, I no longer "see" the light but rather am being overwhelmed as it transports me, light to Light, love to Love.

 

This aridity is but the experience of "G" forces, accelerating me through a black hole to the Other Side into a life:

 

            " a life into which we are taken up with our whole history... a justice for which we are already fighting ... a freedom which we have already felt ... a love in which we already shared here and which we bestowed here ... a salvation of which we have already had a hint ...eternity understood not purely affirmatively as time continued ...however not understood purely negatively, as static negation of all time ... eternity instead understood dialectically in the light of one raised to life, as the temporality which is dissolved into finality ..."

 

             from The new earth and the new heaven, pg 221, Hans Kung, 1996 ETERNAL LIFE ? Life After Death as a Medical, Philosophical, and Theological Problem ---translated by Edward Quinn, Crossroad Publishing Company, 370 Lexington Avenue, New York, NY 10017

 

In traditional formative spirituality, especially the sanjuanist/teresian Carmelite approach, the purgative and illuminative and unitive "ways" make so much sense to me. We can all experience in our lives the active & passive purgations, some illuminations and at have least glimpsed the unitive vision.

 

The metaphors of a log catching fire, of a garden being watered, of mansions in an interior castle, of the ascent of Mt. Carmel, of dark nights, etc are timeless and, ergo make possible, in theory, a process of purgation antecedent to a unitive life.

 

My experience of being pursued by this Little Girl on the playground suggests that one person's Hell is possibly another's Heaven.

 

How do I know this? I have experienced glimpses of both heaven and hell that had everything to do with my hermeneutic and nothing to do with Who God Is.

 

Will God stop pursuing us even in the afterlife ?

 

I think there will be little boys in purgatory running away from that Little Girl for a very long time. They may run away forever; that is possible and has to remain possible.

 

Is it probable ?

 

Not from what I've seen of Her Beauty!

 

All may be well, can be well, will be well, shall be well and you will know that all manner of things will be well.

 

Also from Kung:

 

            "In death a new future is offered to man (and woman), to the whole, undivided person: ...not in our space and time ... not in a different space or different time ...a new future wholly different ...But if we want to make use of metaphors it is a departure inward: a retreat as it were into the innermost primal ground and primal meaning of world and man, into the ineffable mystery of our reality ... " (ibid. pg 114)

 

enough effabling about the Ineffable,

 

gotta run, here She comes again!

 

in her Spiritual Autobiography, Simone wrote:"As soon as I reached adolescence I saw the problem of God as a problem of which the data could not be obtained here below, and I decided that the only way of being sure not to reach a wrong solution, which seemed to me the greatest possible evil, was to leave it alone So I left it alone."

 

"The very name of God had no part in my thoughts.''

 

"In those days I had not read the Gospel."

 

"I had never read any mystical works because I had never felt any call to read them."

 

"I had never prayed. I was afraid of the power of suggestion that is in prayer."

 

one day, however,  Simone was reciting a poem, by George Herbert (1592-1633), entitled 'Love' . it was a poem she had learned by heart and had repeated often. she reports that she was ''concentrating all my attention upon it and clinging with all my soul to the tenderness it enshrines."

 

it was during this particular recitation, she claims: ''Christ himself came down and took possession of me.... In this sudden possession of me by Christ, neither my senses nor my imagination had any part; I only felt in the midst of my suffering the presence of a love, like that which one can read in the smile on a beloved face.''

 

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Love

 

Love bade me welcome; yet my soul drew back,

Guiltie of dust and sinne.

But quick-ey'd Love, observing me grow slack

From my first entrance in,

 

Drew near to me, sweetly questioning

If I lack'd any thing.

 

"A guest," I answer'd, ''worthy to be here".

" Love said, "You shall be he."

"I, the unkinde, ungrateful!? Ah my deare, I cannot look on thee.''

 

Love took my hand, and smiling did reply,

''Who made the eves but I ?"

 

''Truth Lord, But I have marr'd them: let my shame

go where it doth deserve."

 

''And know you not, sayes Love, who bore the blame ?"

"My deare, then I will serve."

 

"You must sit down,'' sayes Love," and taste my meat."

" So I did sit and eat."

 

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Simone continues:" In my arguments about the insolubility of the problem of God I had never foreseen the possibility of that, of a real contact, person to person, here below, between a human being and God. I had vaguely heard tell of things of this kind, but I had never believed in them.... God in his mercy had prevented me from reading the mystics, so that it should be evident to me that I had not invented this absolutely unexpected contact.''

 

even as she rested firm in her new found certitude, she vividly recalls the Dark Night and the following Dawn:"Affliction makes God appear to be absent for a time, more absent than a dead man, more absent than light in the utter darkness of a cell. A kind of horror submerges the soul. During this absence there is nothing to love. What is terrible is that if, in this darkness where there is nothing to love, the soul ceases to love, God's absence becomes final. The soul has to go on loving in the emptiness, or at least to go on wanting to love, though it may only be with an infinitesimal part of itself. Then, one day, God will come to show himself to this soul and to reveal the beauty of the world to it, as in the case of Job. But if the soul stops loving it falls, even in this life, into something almost equivalent to hell."

 

despite her implicit Catholic faith, Simone chose to remain unbaptized and outside the Church: "You can take my word for it too that Greece, Egypt, ancient India and ancient China, the beauty of the world, the pure and authentic reflections of this beauty in art and science, what I have seen of the inner recesses of human hearts where religious belief is unknown, all these things have done as much as the visible christian ones to deliver me into Christ's hands as his captive. I think I might even say more. The love of those things which are outside visible christianity keeps me outside the Church."

 

Simone argued, not for any syncretism or radical pluralism, but for recognition of the implicit faith of other peoples. This was an inclusivistic Christocentrism, that, many years later, would become prominent in Vatican II and, most recently, has been even more clearly articulated by John Paul II in his encylcical "Fides et Ratio" (faith and reason). According to Simone: ''So many things are outside the Christian Church, so many things that I love and do not want to give up, so many things that God loves, otherwise they would not be in existence. All the immense stretches of past centuries except the last twenty are among them; all the countries inhabited by coloured races; all secular life in the white peoples' countries; in the history of these countries, all the traditions banned as heretical, those of the Manicheans, and Albigenses for instance; all those things resulting from the Renaissance, too often degraded but not quite without value."

 

Simone is not objecting to Church dogmas, rituals or moral codifications. she was, in fact, attracted to the liturgy, to Eucharistic adoration, to hymns and rituals and even held Church doctrine as true. rather, she was a voice of prophetic protest against  exclusivistic ecclesiocentrism:''I am kept outside the Church .... not by the mysteries themselves but the specifications with which the Church has thought good to surround them in the course of centuries.''

 

one thinks here of the "mystical core of organized religion" as explicated by Stendl-Rast and of the deterioration of dogma, ritual and moral codes into dogmatism, ritualism and legalism. whatever the authentic Church teaching at the time, i can personally attest to the fact that, before Vatican II, at a grass roots level, the faithful had clearly received the message that non-Catholic religions had no salvific efficacy.

 

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a quote from Isaac of Nineveh:

"It happens at certain moments that delight and enjoyment invade the

whole body. And the fleshly tongue can say no more; to such degrees now

have earthly objects become but dust and ashes. The initial delights,

those of the heart, fill us while we are awake. The spirit burns at the

hour of prayer, at the moment of reading, in the course of frequent

meditations or long contemplations. But the final delights come to us

differently, often during the night, in the following way: when we are

between sleep and wakefulness, when we are asleep without being asleep

and awake without being really awake. These delights invade a person and

the whole body throbs. It is clear then that this is nothing other than

the kingdom of heaven."

 

I got this intuition meditating on the Trinity with the "grammar" of Julian of

Norwich. First I thought of the psychologists and theologians who speak of our

*desire*, our *intention* and *action*. Then I thought of how Julian restated

that all *may* be well, all *can* be well, all *will* be well, all manner of

things *shall* be well, and you will know that all manner of things will be well.

 

Next I thought of the Father's *permissive will* who designed things such that

all *may* be well and this was His *intention*. And it followed that the Son's

*efficacious will* was such that all *can* be well and this required His

*action*. The Spirit's *desiring will* which says "I will, I would" that all

things *will* be well corresponds to *desire*.

 

Now these Persons being omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent ...

when They conspire with perfectly aligned permissive, efficacious and desiring

wills ... a *mandatory will* of the Holy Trinity proclaims that all manner of

things *shall* be well.

 

In the Holy Trinity thus resides *Desire* and *Intention* and *Action*.

 

And we, made in God's image and likeness, recognize these faculties in ourselves !

 

And what do we find in ourselves but DESIRE, longing, yearning !

 

And here is the Grace, the Holy Spirit which animates us and draws us, this

*desire* precedes our assent and helps preserve it through the indwelling

promptings of the Spirit.

 

Through our free cooperation with grace, our will is transformed such that we

share, increasingly, the *intentions* of Our Father (Thy will be done) and our

*actions* progressively conform to those of the Son. And, if like Mary, we

ponder these things in our hearts, we will know that all manner of things will be well.

 

And I take heart and carry on because I have heard that others have been *gifted* with the same heart-rending, soul-searching journey of both incredulity and desire, for as Gerald May says:

 

We are conscious not just because our hearts are beating but because they are yearning (1).

 

The only way to own and claim love as our identity is:

 

to fall in love with love itself,

 

to feel affection for our longing,

 

to value our yearning,

 

treasure our wanting,

 

embrace our incompleteness,

 

be overwhelmed by the beauty of our need (2).

 

Love is present in any desire ... in all feelings of attraction, in all caring and connectedness. It embraces us in precious moments of immediate presence. It is also present when we experience loneliness, loss, grief and rejection. We may say such feelings come from the absence of love, but in fact they are signs of our loving; they express how much we care. We grieve according to how much of ourselves we have already given; we yearn according to how much we would give, if only we could (3).

 

And I would add that we desire to desire, yearn to yearn and long to long.

 

If you feel attracted to the good just because, to the truth just because, to justice just because, to beauty just because, to love just because

 

... you know they are their own reward ...

 

and you may be poised on the horizon of loving, God just because.

 

We dialogue with Other and others *just because* they are ends sufficient unto themselves.

 

In closing, a word from Thomas Merton: "And so, many contemplatives

never become great saints, never enter into close friendship with God,

never find a deep participation in His immense joys, because they cling

to the miserable little consolations that are given to beginners in the

contemplative way."

 

gulp! oh well. Therese of Lisieux and Simone Weil, pray for me.

 


Teresa of Avila did say that we must desire and occupy ourselves in prayer not so much so as to receive consolations but so as to gain the strength to serve. Still, a careful reading and parsing will note that she didn't negate or eliminate our desire for consolations but only added to them. I like the simple distinction between eros or what's in it for me? and agape or what's in it for God & others?

Agape, however, does not extinguish or negate eros, but, rather, transvalues it and recontextualizes it. Thus we do not let go of what's in it for me? even as we strive to transcend it with agapic love.



Merton teaches on Bernardian Love: 1) Love of self for sake of self; 2) love of God for sake of self; 3) love of God for sake of God; 4) love of self for sake of God (and I like to add for sake of God and others, including the cosmos).

None of these transcendent movements is intended to negate the earlier movements but, rather, transvlaue and perfect and recontextualize them.


In other words, the Old Covenant still works. Imperfect contrition is all that is needed to enter the Kingdom, which is to say, I detest all my sins because of thy just punishment (consequences to me). The New Covenant transvalues the Old, moving beyond what we might call a) imperfect contrition, b) eros, what's in it for me? and c) enlightened self interest (love of God for sake of self) and inviting us to a) perfect contrition (but most of all because I have offended you my God, and my people, and the cosmos), b) agape, what's in it for all beside me? and c) true enlightenment, which results from a compassion that ensues from our awakening to our utter solidarity. Thus you take care of yourself and desire consolations to strengthen yourself to serve God and the people you so very much love (love of self for sake of God and others). We seek consolations so we can empty ourselves of them in service and love.

When they don't come ... perhaps ... we are being told to ... Give it a rest ... (or to quit backsliding, it depends) and we are being reminded that Someone else is in charge. And when we persist in loving service even in utter desolation, our consolation comes from conforming ourselves to our Redeemer, Who did not deem equality with God something to be grasped at but emptied Himself ... and loved unconditionally (but conditions are okay in our finitude and human condition).


I suppose I am suggesting that purity can and even should very much involve something in return; God would have us be on the lookout for His blessings -- our Dayenu -- at every turn. Or maybe I am saying impurity, of a sort, is okay. But our intention is indeed impure/suboptimal if it does not seek the greatest glory of God (ad majorem Dei gloriam, AMDG). Even if apokatastasis were true, universal salvation, which is to suggest that Christ's sacrifice was so efficacious all will be saved, eventually -- the true Lover would not rest or be content or indifferent -- but would always be seeking Ignatius' degrees of humility 1) not to commit mortal sin 2) not to commit venial sin 3) not to offend God in the least but to in fact imitate Him in His passion, seeking not only His Glory but His Greatest Possible Glory!

Like a parent ... as a Parent ... I think God wants us to know and seek what's in it for me when we visit. His refrigerator, cookie jar and pantry and playroom and television are ours for the asking. I know He'd have us leave refreshed and to go forth and serve others, too --- and has suitable chastisements in store when we don't. But more than anything else --- God wants us to know the joy of being parents, which, in my experience, will very much include the willingness to be taken for granted.

Curiously, I believe He leaves us in desolation sometimes --- maybe --- for the purpose of allowing us to love Him and others unconditionally, being taken for granted by others and even taken for granted by God! And thus we get to imitate Him perfectly as we are conformed to His likeness in unconditional love.

There is a paradox here: Lord, make me holy, but only as holy as you want me to be. Lord, let me imitate You, but only as much as You want me to!

After a time, I have been less and less able to discern the difference, emotionally, between desolation and consolation. I think I just surrendered and quit caring and worrying about it. When I run out of steam, I stop. When my batteries are recharged, I go. I desire to do His will and do not know if I am or not but I do not worry about that either -- for I know that my desire pleases Him if nothing else (Merton).


This is not wholly unrelated. There is a fallacy in any stage theories and developmental theories that takes the form of negating lower stages rather than integrally transvaluing them. My whole discussion above can apply to the kataphatic and apophatic devotions, too. Although there are prayer movements and practices that now emphasize sensation and perception, now emotion and motivation, now discursive and now nondiscursive approaches -- an integral approach implies the whole human knowledge manifold or evaluative continuum is placed at the Spirit's disposal for God do to what She will when praying in us, for no prayer is initiated other than by the Spirit -- not kataphatic, not apophatic. Our entire being-in-love is placed at God's disposal. Apophasis and kataphasis are held in creative tension whereby kataphasis glories in God's intelligibility through metaphor and apophasis glories in God's impenetrable mystery and incomprehensibility as we acknowledge our metaphor is but a weak analogy. We hold on loosely but don't let go, as the song says.

The analogy would be -- when I speak metaphorically and analogically, you and i both know it without me having to explicitly point it out, usually. Conceptually, when I am having a kataphatic experience, it is simultaneously being apophatically qualified, especially when we are speaking cognitively. The point of clarification might moreso surround the affective aspect. No need to reinvent that wheel insofar as both the sanjuanian and ignatian discussions of consolation and desolation and discernment treat this robustly? Which would be to suggest that -- how one responds to distractions, to desolation, to consolation -- in prayer and living --- cannot be captured in a one-size fits all prescription? Sometimes they should be ignored and sometimes embraced and often times even shunned -- it depends.

pax,
jb

 

I am looking forward to this series:  The Way of Christian Spirituality

One thing of immediate interest to me is Pope Benedict's augustinian rather than thomistic perspective, which has large implications for our theological anthropologies. To keep it simple, I would just say that Pope Benedict's perspective on human nature is more pessimistic than JPII's.

One major issue such a perspective will address, for example, is what human nature is capable of without the benefit of Divine revelation. Another issue would be to ask just how depraved we are vs how good we are (on a continuum, of course), before grace builds on nature, which is to ask, perhaps, what type of foundation does human nature afford the Spirit as each soul begins its journey of transformation?

Pope Benedict, in relying so much on Augustine, will be very aware of the very best that Luther had to offer by way of critique and is in a very authoritative position, theologically, to advance ecumenical dialogue with Protestantism. This would make for a great papal legacy and great strides have already been made, for example, regarding the joint accord between Catholics and Lutherans on the doctrine of justification. [Much credit is due Hans Kung, too, whose role has, regrettably, been largely unacknowledged.]

Benedict will also be in a position to point out what he would perceive as Luther's shortcomings insofar as he informs his augustinianism with the Catholic analogical imagination over against the Protestant dialectical imagination. See this from The White Robed Monks of St. Benedict.

So, when it comes to human nature, it is essential that we flesh out our presuppositions regarding our theological anthropologies. The most pessimistic versions would be any like a radical, augustinian Protestantism and the most optimistic would be any like a transcendental thomism (of Rahner and Lonergan).

JPII and Benedict's perspectives would fall in between, JPII more optimistic than Benedict but less than the transcendental thomists, Benedict more optimistic than Luther but less than JPII.

This not only has important implications for theosis, for spiritual transformation, but also for our ecclesiology, how we conceive church. The more pessimistic view is going to give impetus to a more centralized governance, for example, reserving more teaching authority for the magisterium and imputing less docility to the Holy Spirit to us anawim? This view is surely tempered though by our incarnational approach, which sees God's grace and the Spirit's indwelling in all creation, in every creature, particularly the human being, who is made in the very image and likeness of God!

One of the better balancing acts regarding theological anthropology and optimism-pessimism is that of Jesuit theologian Donald Gelpi, who tells us that the truth about human nature lies somewhere between the belief that we all long spontaneously for the beatific vision and the belief that creation and humanity are totally depraved and devoid of goodness due to God's radical absence and rare disclosure. Gelpi employs a foundational theology of conversion and I think this is right-headed --- because how the institutionalized church (sacramentally and otherwise) facilitates conversion is the ultimate measure of doctrinal orthodoxy.

It is important to recognize that, whatever their theological anthropologies, Benedict and JPII and Paul VI and John XXIII and Rahner and Lonergan and, to some extent, even Luther, were in unity regarding essentials of our faith and what we are deliberating will invite a plurality and diversity of perspectives regarding various accidentals.

With Augustine, then, and Benedict, in essentials, may we celebrate our unity; in accidentals, our diversity; and in all things, charity. [And this is not to deny that there is some disagreement on what exactly is essential and what accidental Wink]

So, that's an intro of where I will be coming from: listening to the disparate voices and praying for our discernment for our next good steps as individuals in response to these considerations.

Subject: True Self/False Self and Merton


Mrs. %^&$#, I'm going to bcc: others on this. It is timely, for Lent.

In response to your inquiry, below are some of my notes and ideas on Merton
as they pertain to the True Self. I will mark in bold type those that you
may want to scroll down and read first, in order to get his main thrust. One
thing I would emphasize is that, in one manner of speaking, we must build a
false self at early stages of human development. That false self is what we
acquire as our parents and teachers work to transform us from animal beings
to social beings. If you talk to teachers nowadays, you might get the
impression that we are not very successful at even that!

In other words, this false self is what results from our socialization. We
take on a social persona. This is an indisepensable step in human
development, in my view. If I am hearing Merton right, we do want to help
people form these social personae, which are part of what our false self is
all about. So, to some extent, our pedagogy and catechesis is not incorrect,
when dealing with young folks in a developmentally appropriate way. The
chief problem, which I think is what you have really caught onto, is that
socialization is but one part of transformation and humanization. We, as a
Church, need to teach people how to come into full possession of this
false-self/social persona in order to surrender it!

But, life is a better teacher, here, has been my experience.

 

[Or as Rohr points out,  there are two paths to the realization of the true self:

mysticism and suffering.]

 

Most people do not surrender their false self or social persona without first passing
through an existential crisis. What the Church must do, perhaps, is to stand
ready with a special program or pedagogy or catechesis for those who have
recently experienced an existential crisis, such as with spiritual direction
and grief counseling and other specialized small groups. To some extent,
this is the strength of AA, Al Anon and other such support groups. As I
write, below: The ultimate idolatry, then, is our self. So, we take this
socially-formed self and crucify it and it is not like going to a movie or
coming into an Internet discussion forum but is, rather, much more like
walking into a fire. All of this is a massive upheaval of the way things
have been for us --- cognitively, affectively, morally even, for it is no
longer a mere following of the rules that brings one closer to God, although
that part of our formation was absolutely necessary. The soul now approaches
the God, Who needn't approach, Who dwells within, and the heart remains
restless that has not made God its all. Rooted in God in radical trust and
surrender, a new reward and reinforcement system gets set in place, where
Love of self for sake of self has been transcended by love of God for sake
of self, which has been transcended by love of God for sake of God, 'til,
finally, our true self emerges and we love that self for the sake of God.
The dialectic takes us back into self-possession, paradoxically, by
self-surrender.

What happens as we make the turn and drop the persona, which, again, was
formatively necessary, is that we seek enlightenment out of compassion for
the world, which constantly suffers our unenlightened selves. No longer are
we in search of consolation or sensible positive affect because Perfect Love
is its own reward, is totally unconditional, entirely kenotic.

We lay down our false selves, not for our own benefit, not because we are
tired of the pain it causes us, but because of the pain we are transmitting
to our loved ones, to the world. Any pain that is not thusly transformed,
however neurotic or psychotic or emotional or idiopathic, we transmit to
others. We seek to be rid of this pain that we may desist from transmitting
it to others. Let me insert this here. Losing something like fear does not
mean that we have come to any pollyannish conclusion that all of the bad
things that could happen to us are not going to happen --- rather, it means
that, we know full well they are even likely to happen but are nothing,
ultimately, to fear.

Part of the nondual experience, then, is the existential realization of It
Isn't Me --- not this creation, not these feelings, not these thoughts, not
any rule-following or goodness, iow, It Isn't Me cognitively, affectively or
morally, that's responsible for starting all of this, holding it all
together and taking it anywhere.

Hopefully His servant,
pax, amor et bonum,
johnboy

 

One of the richest reflections on this I have ever come across is in Merton's __New Seeds of Contemplation__, especially in the preface and first three chapters, which reflect on what contemplation is and is not and what the true self and false self are. The most concise summary I could come up with would be that, 1)for our true self, our joy is found in God's glory; 2) our will is oriented to God's love; 3)the work of our journey is to co-create with God our identity through and with and in God; 4) that we may become wholly in His image, holy in His image; 5) when we do have our memory, understanding and will integrated and holistically operative, we experience our true self but 6) this co-creation of our identity and this surrender of our memory, understanding and will to faith, hope and love are effected through theological virtue gifted by the Spirit by an elevation of nature through grace and transmutation of experience through grace and not by a perfection of the natural order by our natural efforts, which is to say 7) we are in need of salvation to overcome both death and sin and the most fundamental vocational call we answer is 8) to be saved and then 9) transformed. In other words, we don't enter the monastery or undertake a life of prayer to make us better human beings -- rather, we urgently and in crisis and seriously and radically place the utter dependency and abject poverty of our selves (which are nevertheless good) at God's disposal in order to be dramatically rescued.

end of that thought

now pertaining to how good we are and are not:

One thing about Benedict that differs from JPII is his augustinian versus thomistic thought. This makes for a distinctively different theological anthropology, among other things, one that is moreso pessimistic vs thomism's optimism and much more pessimistic than the transcendental thomism of Rahner and Lonergan (which WAS too optimistic). This has practical implications for any theories of how grace builds on nature insofar as it describes, in terms of goodness, how much nature brings to the table before grace does its thing, how much humankind can accomplish, for instance, in discerning natural law, before being apprised of divine revelation.

Reflecting on the augustinian perspective reminded me of its account of the Trinity, which, analogously, exhibits faculties of memory, understanding and will, which is reflected in humanity. These faculties are fully and perfectly integrated in the Trinity but humankind experiences them as sometimes attempting to operate autonomously or, as I would say, in a dis-integrated manner, which is to say, not holistically. Now, to the extent these comprise, in part, the human evaluative continuum or knowledge manifold, perhaps it would be fair to say that they try to operate autonomously and disintegratedly in our false self but then, through ongoing transformation into the imago Dei, are re-integrated and begin to more often operate holistically and in a more fully integrated fashion, like the Trinity, in our True Self. What would be the implications for prayer?

Prayer, in the false self, would be as noisy as a churning cement truck but as powerful (transformatively efficacious) as a sewing machine.

Prayer, in the True Self, would be as quiet as a sewing machine but as powerful (transformatively efficacious) as a cement truck (or Sherman Tank, choose your own metaphor).

In the false self, prayer would variously employ this or that aspect of the human evaluative continuum willy-nilly and based on temperament and human biases, such continuum not holistically engaged, not fully integrated.

In the True Self, prayer would employ such a human evaluative continuum as mirrors the fully integrated memory, understanding and will of the Trinity and, as such, it would be holistic and, hence, simplified. Here we are talking about simplicity in its most superlative sense. It means the whole person is pray-ing and at the disposal of the sovereign Spirit, Who will guide it in all manner of consolation, desolation and therapy, all such movements to be interpreted through traditional discernment exercises and helping to direct our next good step.

[The next paragraph is my embellishment of what I heard Fr. Rohr saying.]

So, we pray in that manner that best silences the false self, quieting it and its faculties, however discursive or nondiscursive, and this manner may be for some the rosary, for others the Eucharist, for others walking meditation or this or that practice coupled with this or that discipline. And we thus pray in a manner that most fully engages the True Self, allowing it to commune with God in utter simplicity and most holistically and integratively --- as quietly as a sewing machine but as powerfully as a cement truck.

Being quiet and simple and powerful results from being holistic, single-minded and whole-hearted - praying the True Self.

Being noisy and complex and inefficacious results from being disintegrated, monkey-minded and divided in one's affections - praying the false self.

It is not so much what temperament or which faculties we bring to prayer or not but, rather, which s/Self.

Now, some have called any prayer from the True Self contemplation. Others more narrowly conceive it, differentiating contemplation from other prayer in many different ways (such as charisms differentiated from infused gifts of the Spirit, etc). Those conceptualizations and usages are not my concern here.

As we consider prayer from lectio, oratio, meditatio, contemplatio, operatio, glossolalia and so on, I would suggest that it is not any of these formulae that we'd prescribe as generally normative --- for these will vary per temperament and charism and/or gift from a sovereign Spirit, Who initiates all such promptings.

What is a norm to which we should all aspire is prayer from the True Self, which knows gentleness and compassion for the false self, one's own and others'. And these false selves are good and necessary selves for us to function in the human condition in this world but are still otherwise suboptimal for communing with God and realizing solidarity with others.

Thus it is that all prayer lives are oriented through time toward increasing simplicity --- not so much from alternating and purposeful engagements and disengagements of various aspects of the human evaluative continuum as from the purposeful engagement of the True Self and disengagement of the false self; hence, the quieting disciplines and silencing practices are directed at our false self but not really at the human evalutive continuum as constituted in the True Self.

Now, it just so happens that the human evaluative continuum of the True Self is quieter and simpler --- but this moreso results from its efficient integration and powerful holistic deployment (and does not require any particular, narrowly defined practice or privileged asceticism).

 

This is a personal clarification. It is my view that Fathers Keating and Rohr have substantively and not superficially engaged The Cloud and other Classics in our Tradition and that they have depthfully and not facilely employed the many elements of the contemplative tradition in their approach to CP, which is to say that I do not resonate with any notion that there are fallacies in their logic and I would not want to caricaturize their approach and thereby dismiss strawmen.

What is at issue for me is not the validity of their logic (these folks are excellent critical thinkers) but perhaps the soundness of certain conclusions regarding what exactly takes place in this or that practitioner of CP. Discerning the soundness of these conclusions is something that can only be done in the crucible of experience and this process of discernment must avoid its own set of fallacies, one of which is that the abuse of something is no argument against the use of something. To properly get at the soundness of their conclusions, the discerning community will have to go beyond personal anecdotes to sociological and psychological studies to measure the effects of this or that practice on intellectual, affective, moral, sociopolitical and religious conversions.

What most seems to be at issue, as best I can discern, can be illuminated by distinctions drawn by Maritain and by Merton. Maritain distinguishes between philosophical contemplation, intuition of being, natural mysticism and mystical contemplation. Merton distinguished between apophatic/kataphatic, immanent/transcendent, natural/supernatural and existential/theological. There are all sorts of other distinctons that come into play, too, such as between passive and active meditation, open and closed, receptive and concentrative, attentional and intentional and relational. There are the distinctions between active and passive and infused contemplation, between charisms and gifts of the Spirit, and an acknowledgment of the Spirit's sovereign action on the soul, notwithstanding our efforts. There are manifold psychological considerations that come into play also as we integrally and holistically conceive the human. Clearly, we must concede a depthful knowledge of these distinctions to all of the participants in this dialogue.

The distillation of the concerns is this: There are manifold and varied asceticisms and disciplines and practices in our contemplative traditions, all of which can serve to dispose one to receive the gift of contemplation, all of which can facilitate our cooperation with grace as it builds on nature. Which of these practices should be pursued only with the guidance of a prudent, learned and experienced spiritual director, following certain caveats, for instance, because they facilitate receptivity/docility to the Spirit with a greater tendency to facilitate concommitant experiences of natural mysticism, enlightenment, kundalini arousal/awakening and such (which can be most efficacious but also, in many ways and in a word, unruly)? And if things do get unruly, have we provided resources for dealing with same? Is the jury still out on this? Has enough evidence come in? I dunno. I am not competent to answer that. The issues raised are important. And I am confident that the major players involved with them are prudent, learned and experienced, folks of large intelligence and profound goodwill.

I will close with Thomas Merton:

quote:


What one of you can enter into himself and find the God that utters him?

Finding God means much more than just abandoning all things that are not God and emptying oneself of images and desires. If you succeed in emptying your mind of every thought and every desire you may indeed withdraw into the center of yourself and concentrate everything within you upon the imaginary point where your life springs out of God; yet, you will not really find God. No natural exercise can bring you into vital contact with Him. Unless He utters Himself in you and speaks His own name in the center of your soul, you will no more know Him than a stone knows the ground upon which it rests in its inertia.


And what Merton says is true. Nothing we can do other than to dispose our self to receive the gift of contemplation. Like the stone, we exist because God sees us. We are good because God loves us. Unlike the stone, and Merton doesn't say this here but he wouldn't deny it, we can through natural exercises experience a natural mysticism, an intuition that we are receiving our being as we stand on the face of being looking in. This opens us to immanent being and an existential awareness and initiates us in apophasis and, if pursued further, can even give a metaphysical hint at creatio ex nihilo and creatio continua (for pantheism and even panen-theism are too riddled with incoherence). And one would have to believe that, pursued even further, some of the great nonChristian mystics moved even past deism to a relational encounter, which begins to properly nuance a pan-entheism and an indwelling of Being in being, standing, then, on the face of being looking out.

But, there is more and, even though, anticipating the teilhardian perspective, Duns Scotus metaphysically suggested the Incarnation was foreordained from all eternity and not occasioned by any felix culpa, who woulda thunk it that the Logos would be uttered in Mary's womb, born in a manger, nailed to a cross and then raised to glory? Even thought this was all foretold in the OT, still, nobody thunk it! If anyone had gone beyond the attentional to the intentional to the relational, still, they had not conceived of the intensely personal.
[And, it seems to me, that anyone formed in a Gospel tradition is going to ultimately arrive here and have their kataphatic devotion even more robustly experienced through moderate apophasis.]

Merton:

quote:


Our inner self awakes when we say yes to the indwelling Divine Persons.

We only really know ourselves when we completely consent to receive the glory of God into ourselves.


Mary went first. May we follow like her.

pax,
jb

 

re: comparing that Merton quote with certain aspects of CP, yes, you read what I was writing between the lines

That's why I offered that quote.

On the one hand, the emphasis on nondiscursive method coupled with the use of a mantra would seem to moreso expose the average CP practitioner to experiences of natural mysticism, enlightenment and such with their concomitant energy upheavals and psychological by-products. This is one way of judging the practice, as you say, given its methodology.

On the other hand, given what is actually taught and emphasized about CP within the context of a life of prayer that is otherwise kataphatic (reception of Eucharist, sacraments, lectio divina and such), one would not expect the average CP practitioner to experience natural mysticism or enlightenment, should such occur, in exactly the same way as one who is practicing TM or Zen, especially given where CP seems to aim, which is an intimate and affectionate and illuminating loving, personal relationship with God.

So, what we have is CP's claim that it is not Zen or TM even as it employs a very Zen-like methodology coupled with CP's claim not to be a technique or method but, rather, a relational communing. What we also have is some evidence, no too few anecdotes, that many CP practitioners have experienced unruly energy upheavals.

So, I am suggesting that, to get to the bottom of what is going on, we really need some sociological surveys to discern what mostly goes on with CP practitioners, what seldom goes on, what often goes on and such --- because the practice, its aims, its methodologies, it teachings and its emphases have some built-in ambiguities [not necessarily bad] due to its innovative blending of contemplative traditions.

And we must carefully probe to discern how faithfully practitioners have practiced and how frequently and intensely and such. Some energy upheavals and psychological perturbations could occur with any practice or formulae engaged with great frequency and intensity. To this day, I attribute my own kundalini-like symptoms to glossolalia, but it could have happened with the Rosary, even, prayed somewhat nondiscursively. Of course, all prayer has a tendency to move toward simplicity in the life of an earnest pray-er. And should have some integrally transformative efficacies. If there are inefficacies, we need to see precisely where they lie: in the practice or the practitioner. You and others have raised important questions. We'll one day have the answers, sooner than later, I believe. Meanwhile, people should proceed with some caution and with spiritual direction should certain perturbations present or unruly disturbances manifest.

I think we are very much on the same page except that your trained intuitions and experience have already gifted you with an informed perspective on what the answers to these questions are and how such sociological surveys would play out, what they would reveal. For my part, I can appreciate what all of the parties are saying but feel that the final arbitration of the claims and counterclaims will need to be social-scientifically discerned through well-designed surveys and follow-up interviews. Would make for a great dissertation.

pax,
jb

To some extent, it is the very nature of apophasis to invite us beyond image, beyond affect, beyond concept ... ergo, what is taking place during the apophatic experience is necessarily not going to be explicitly Christian or anything else for that matter, except for the remnant of relational intentionality that the Christian pray-er brings to the moment of prayer as a pray-er at the outset. This is all very dialectical and not in the hegelian sense of synthesis but in the catholic approach of both/and/neither.

The connection to the goal of our spiritual tradition is, in my view, to reinforce the Dionysian mystical logic of 1) God is | x | and 2) God is | not x | and 3) God is neither | x | nor | not x |, which ties into our theologies of the univocity and analogy of being, where our statements about God are acknowledged not only as metaphorical but as very weak analogues, where no univocal predications can be made between God and creatures but only equivocal predications. The roles of kataphatic affirmation and apophatic negation and eminent predication (e.g. God is beautiful but not beautiful like us or creation but Beautiful most pre-eminently) are complementary and not over against each other. They offer perspectives and cannot be blended or intertwined (again, no synthesis) without violating the integrity of each of these moments or movements. It is the preservation of this integral nature of apophasis and kataphasis that Keating attempts to maintain by distinguishing between the practice of lectio divina and CP, affirming both movements but advising against their facile combination.

So, the bigger concern for me is not at all theological but that which I expressed re: energy upheavals and psychological perturbations, like the examples you provided (and like your and my own!). I am wondering how much this is happening and exactly why, although I think we have more than a clue as to why. At the same time, my upheavals were rather orderly, still ... there has got to be a better caveat emptor.

In my opinion there isn't enough apophasis in our tradition and this leads to a bad malady all its own ... radical fundamentalism(s). At the same time, I agree that the jury is out on whether or not CP is one of the cures for this, among the others that already exist in the normal flowering of a prayer life, in the ordinary journey of the soul awakening to the true self, in the conversions facilitated by the institutional church and its sacraments and sacramentals and manifold and multiform liturgical/spiritual exercises.

pax,
jb

johnboy

Below is a sidebar conversation I was having with someone else re: the Rohr-Keating retreat, where the subject of the true-false self terminology came up. I thought I'd tack it on here:

It turns me off in this sense. It is bad terminology. Unfortunate use of words. But we work with them because of their heritage in our tradition.

Why unfortunate? Because of what you said: False self is not bad.

I prefer to use: early on our journey and later on our journey, thus and such happens. [This is not to deny that many unduly put off the journey to such things as transformation and even adulthood.] The early stages of formation and transformation are good. So are the later. And nothing that takes place on our early journey is abandoned. The false self represents our socialization, moving from little animals to humans. It represents our humanization. And our humanization and divinization are inextricably intertwined, not really distinguishable really. The more fully human we become, the more we reflect the Divine Image, the imago Dei. So, we don't abandon the false self. Not at all. Rather, we take full possession of it in order to surrender it to crucifixion. [And one cannot surrender what one does not form and possess.] We give it up in order to be radically saved (from sin and death); it is no mere pious gesture. Thus the seed falls to the ground and dies ... Thus every other metaphor for the Paschal Mystery ...

This is my False Self.
I give it up for you.

We awaken to the True Self when, like Ignatius, we see ourselves as God sees us. We awaken to our True Self when we realize that being socialized and a good citizen and a good person and more perfect ain't what it's about entirely; rather, its about being a Lover and being beloved and about being saved from sin and death by Jesus. It is a VERY big deal, the biggest thing anyone's got going. It is THE grail for which we quest and is wholly, wholly holy and holy, holy whole.